Either buff towers or remove them

SKB Bad Bunny·Apr 30, 2018·1 votes·1,118 views

As far as I'm concerned, towers are meant to protect you. The fact that an ADC can land autos on you while being under your own tower just makes me feel like those towers are there for nothing. Basically if I'm against a very aggro bot lane that I have no chance to lane against, I should basically go afk since I cant even stay under my own tower. I have clips to prove it and even though I missplayed hard due to playing on 200 ms right there, that still doesnt meant its fair to get dove like that. Was under tower during the entire fight, at lvl 3.

Full dive here, from the start taking the tower at lvl 6, he wont give a crap about it.

More autistic dives by the tanky adc

17 Comments

nm1010Apr 30, 20182 votes

You actually don't understand what you (and Alistar) did wrong in these? At least the first two have major mistakes being made, the third one is normal for a snowballing Nami + Draven.

Edit: You openly admit you made major mistakes, why is this thread even a thing? Draven took 80% of his health in tower damage in the first clip, Nami took ~70% when they only took 2 tower shots a piece. Do you want the tower to one shot them?

SKB Bad BunnyApr 30, 20181 votes

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You actually don't understand what you did wrong in these? At least the first two have major mistakes being made, the third one is normal for a snowballing Nami + Draven.

You dont get the point. Even if I was the worst player in the history of League of Legends, I shouldnt be able to get dove at lvl 3 and 6 dying both me and my support without the enemy bot lane having any problem.

nm1010Apr 30, 20181 votes

I edited it, they both took a ton of damage from the dive. You were already down heal and Ali flash, you only got 4-5 autos off the entire 12 second clip (and missed every ability), you didn't animation cancel with your traps (or use them at all), Ali went in on a Nami buffed conquerer proc Draven away from tower. You majorly fucked up every single part of that fight (and the fight before this we don't see you blow heal and flash on) against 2 heavily early game champions.

Then you try to justify it by saying "I was like 100 units under my tower though" when Draven has over 500 aa range, come on man take some responsibility.

SKB Bad BunnyApr 30, 20181 votes

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I edited it, they both took a ton of damage from the dive. You were already down heal and Ali flash, you only got 4-5 autos off the entire 12 second clip (and missed every ability), you didn't animation cancel with your traps (or use them at all), Ali went in on a Nami buffed conquerer proc Draven away from tower. You majorly fucked up every single part of that fight (and the fight before this we don't see you blow heal and flash on) against 2 heavily early game champions.

Then you try to justify it by saying "I was like 100 units under my tower though" when Draven has over 500 aa range, come on man take some responsibility.

I already stated above that I had lag issues at that time. My whole point is, no matter how bad I play, I should be untouchable under my tower, however this should happen only during the early game. Im fine with towers starting to be rather insignificant once the midgame comes, but getting dove at lvl 3 is not ''justifiable'' by any argument in my opinion. The tower at lower lvls should be a symbol of ''DONT AGGRO THE ENEMY WHILE BEHIND THE TOWER''. Not ''KILL 2 PEOPLE UNDER TOWER LVL 3 WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM''.

nm1010Apr 30, 20181 votes

The tower at lower lvls should be a symbol of ''DONT AGGRO THE ENEMY WHILE BEHIND THE TOWER''.

IT IS, you guys came into Draven aa range while doing shit all for damage. YOU WEREN'T "behind" the tower, you were standing in front of it trying to fight and got double bubbled. Even at the end when you died, you ran out from under the tower to trade autos with Draven XD. If you did even 20% of Draven's health he would've died, or actually hit a w or e but you DIDN'T. You fucked up and you paid for it. What you are basically asking for is to be immune to damage when you are within 300 range of the tower, and even then Alistar still would've almost died.

Just like in the second clip Draven lives with 10% hp, you shot him 0 times. Ali auto'd him twice and used exhaust poorly. Ali used his combo before they took aggro and you had already been poked to half hp.

SKB Bad BunnyApr 30, 20181 votes

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You actually don't understand what you (and Alistar) did wrong in these? At least the first two have major mistakes being made, the third one is normal for a snowballing Nami + Draven.

Edit: You openly admit you made major mistakes, why is this thread even a thing? Draven took 80% of his health in tower damage in the first clip, Nami took ~70% when they only took 2 tower shots a piece. Do you want the tower to one shot them?

Oh, so needing 3 tower shots for each of them to kill 2 of the squishiest champs in the game AT FUCKING LVL 3 is ok?

nm1010Apr 30, 20181 votes

Oh, so needing 3 tower shots for each of them to kill 2 of the squishiest champs in the game AT FUCKING LVL 3 is ok?

Yes, most people don't fuck up enough to die in the ~3 seconds it takes for the tower to shoot 3 times. Or they do the ~20% damage to the person diving to get the kill on them in 2 tower shots.

RuFiotApr 30, 20181 votes

I think he is saying that he should be able to stand afk under the turret and the enemy support and adc (pre 6) should not be able to kill him (deep inside the turret so they have to take aggro), that is the level of protection the tower should give by his opinion

Why? I guess so the game won't be to much of a stomp

SKB Bad BunnyApr 30, 20181 votes

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I think he is saying that he should be able to stand afk under the turret and the enemy support and adc (pre 6) should not be able to kill him (deep inside the turret so they have to take aggro), that is the level of protection the tower should give by his opinion

Why? I guess so the game won't be to much of a stomp

Yes basically thats my point, being safe under tower should be an actual fact.

nm1010Apr 30, 20182 votes

I think he is saying that he should be able to stand afk under the turret and the enemy support and adc (pre 6) should not be able to kill him (deep inside the turret so they have to take aggro), that is the level of protection the tower should give by his opinion

He could if he was actually deep under turret, but this is NOT deep under the turret

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RuFiotApr 30, 20181 votes

LUL all the sht you are going to get for posting those up

They can't do those things if uou don't let them push and have minion advantage, if you overwhelm him with wave clear he will be too busy clearing and the minions will help you in trades,

it's the same when I go Vayne mid with PTA (PTA + Vayne's w is like electrocute every 5 sec) if they let me to manipulate the wave and stay passive they usually lose the lane really hard

SKB Bad BunnyApr 30, 20182 votes

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LUL all the sht you are going to get for posting those up

They can't do those things if uou don't let them push and have minion advantage, if you overwhelm him with wave clear he will be too busy clearing and the minions will help you in trades,

it's the same when I go Vayne mid with PTA (PTA + Vayne's w is like electrocute every 5 sec) if they let me to manipulate the wave and stay passive they are usually loses the lane really hard

How the fuck am I supposed to outpush Draven, he freely autos the wave because he has the upper hand in the trades, Alistar doesnt even have combo at lvl 1 to support me with pressure, and even at lvl 2, after his combo is done, our offensive is over. Nami can fuck us all the way. There was nothing I could do to outpush their bot lane or avoid staying under tower.

The whole point is, the towers are there to offer support when youre getting smashed in the lane, its your means of defense and survivability against strong early opponets. When that tower becomes just a useless building in the middle of the map, they could as well remove it, and there wouldnt be any difference.

Brutalitops01Apr 30, 20181 votes

I just went into a practice game and tested it. Without triggering any lifesteal, turrets take 5 shots to kill a level 6 Twitch with Doran's Blade and a BF Sword. If the enemy ADC was running Fleet Footwork AND had a BF Sword, that might mayyybe get them another shot, if they didn't waste it. Turrets are not there to protect you. They are there to protect the Nexus. Yes, if the enemy bot lane tries to take a 2v2 dive level 6, unless they poked you down really low first, they're probably gonna get killed. And if they're diving you level 3 like you claim, they should die pretty much no matter what unless they play it 100% perfectly and juggle the aggro properly. Something that, from how you're talking, I don't think you're remotely close to high enough rating for players to know how to do, so I'm gonna assume they didn't.

SKB Bad BunnyApr 30, 20181 votes

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I just went into a practice game and tested it. Without triggering any lifesteal, turrets take 5 shots to kill a level 6 Twitch with Doran's Blade and a BF Sword. If the enemy ADC was running Fleet Footwork AND had a BF Sword, that might mayyybe get them another shot, if they didn't waste it. Turrets are not there to protect you. They are there to protect the Nexus. Yes, if the enemy bot lane tries to take a 2v2 dive level 6, unless they poked you down really low first, they're probably gonna get killed. And if they're diving you level 3 like you claim, they should die pretty much no matter what unless they play it 100% perfectly and juggle the aggro properly. Something that, from how you're talking, I don't think you're remotely close to high enough rating for players to know how to do, so I'm gonna assume they didn't.

You can as well watch the vids, theyre linked there, instead of talking based on assumptions. Also dont you think 5 tower shots are too much for the squishiest type of character in the game at a rather low lvl?

Brutalitops01Apr 30, 20181 votes

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You can as well watch the vids, theyre linked there, instead of talking based on assumptions. Also dont you think 5 tower shots are too much for the squishiest type of character in the game at a rather low lvl?

Not particularly, considering you and your support would also be dealing damage/ccing them, which would force them to stay in the tower longer and take damage from other sources. You could easily lower 5-6 to 2-3 by just not being a bitch when you get dove and hitting back.

AiladyApr 30, 20181 votes

i honestly dont want to defend those ugly towers nor kill minions to level up, probably why i love battlerite and hate league atm (but the toxic feeder community plays the big part in my hatred as well)

BeersteinApr 30, 20181 votes

Hmm, that'd be an interesting temp game mode, all towers are inhibs, and every one you smash causes stronger minions to spawn. I mean, it'd be stupid, but interesting to see how people would try to play it.