Azir Needs Buffs

TrxKxy·Feb 14, 2016·15 votes·3,653 views

Champion.gg - Azir Middle Stats, Builds, Runes, Masteries and Counters

http://probuilds.net/champions/details/Azir Let's be real, Azir needs buffs. He was over nerfed quite a while ago and has been in an awful state ever since. Winrate is below average and so is his pick rate. He is high risk with low rewards, when I get fed as Azir, I find myself doing no damage to squishies and getting killed very easily. The argument saying why he doesn't do much damage is, "He has more range than most of the other midlaners." However, range is meaningless when Leblanc, Zed, Talon, and many others can just blink or dash towards anybody else. I can see why his pick rate is low, why play someone who is a burden on your team when you can just play Flavor of the Month champions? But I still love him, and he's been far too weak for far too long.

107 Comments

BroLaneFeb 14, 201613 votes

People with over 125 games on him have a 54% winrate on him. He's difficult, and maybe a little weak, but he himself doesn't need buffs. AP itemization does. If people who actually main him have a rather high winrate on him, than does that not prove that buffs are unnecessary?

Heckin SupportFeb 15, 20163 votes

God forbid you have to master a champion to do well. Everything should come easy /s

GlockHammerFeb 14, 20169 votes

I'd rather drink rats blood than see that abomination buffed. Legit, Azir gets buffed, I quit. He's a massive cockblock and extremely oppressive if he get's even the sligthest lead, despite his nerfs he might be the mage with the highest dps out of all of them when fully built. He's also quite mobile, which rhymes bad with having massive range and high dps and immense zone control. So no, just nonono.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 14, 20161 votes

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I'd rather drink rats blood than see that abomination buffed. Legit, Azir gets buffed, I quit. He's a massive cockblock and extremely oppressive if he get's even the sligthest lead, despite his nerfs he might be the mage with the highest dps out of all of them when fully built. He's also quite mobile, which rhymes bad with having massive range and high dps and immense zone control. So no, just nonono.

He's also quite mobile.Lol.You learn this game.

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20164 votes

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He's also quite mobile.Lol.You learn this game.

He does have a dash doesn he? Sure, he's not Fiora, Lee or Riven, but having a somewhat long range dash is being mobile. A hell of alot more than having none.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 15, 20161 votes

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He does have a dash doesn he? Sure, he's not Fiora, Lee or Riven, but having a somewhat long range dash is being mobile. A hell of alot more than having none.

Also he has 325 movement speed.Too low for mobile champion.So he isn't mobile.Mobile champions have to 335 or 340 movement speed.Azir isn't mobile champion but half mobile champion.

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HpAOTB3q,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-15T00:06:18.583+0000)

Also he has 325 movement speed.Too low for mobile champion.So he isn't mobile.Mobile champions have to 335 or 340 movement speed.Azir isn't mobile champion but half mobile champion.

According to which rule?

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 15, 20161 votes

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According to which rule?

A lot rule.Do you ask to people? They say that Azir isn't mobile champion.

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HpAOTB3q,comment-id=000700000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-15T00:10:12.048+0000)

A lot rule.Do you ask to people? They say that Azir isn't mobile champion.

Is Tristana mobile?

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 15, 20161 votes

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Is Tristana mobile?

Yes.Because her escape skill is reliable.But Azir's? He hasn't his knock up anymore.Also Azir hasn't his old movement speed anymore.

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20162 votes

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Yes.Because her escape skill is reliable.But Azir's? He hasn't his knock up anymore.Also Azir hasn't his old movement speed anymore.

Yet they have the exact same movement speed. And Azirs Dash is 200 units longer than Tristanas. 1100 vs 900.

Azir even has lower cd on his dash until maxed out.

Since when do you need a knockup to be mobile? And why would Tristanas rocketjump be more reliable than Azirs dash when it:

Has lower range.
Has higher cooldown until maxed out.
You are making 0 sense.

As for Azir.

The knockup was remove because he already had too much in his kit. The knockup was overkill. Heck, if I had my way I'd even remove his free turret, don't see why he needs two ults.

All that being said, you are being very biased about this.

Edit: Okok, taking away the turret would be far to much, and it's actually cool that we have a champion that can do something like that. ^^

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 15, 20161 votes

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Yet they have the exact same movement speed. And Azirs Dash is 200 units longer than Tristanas. 1100 vs 900.

Azir even has lower cd on his dash until maxed out.

Since when do you need a knockup to be mobile?

The knockup was remove because he already had too much in his kit. The knockup was overkill. Heck, if I had my way I'd even remove his free turret, don't see why he needs two ults.

All that being said, you are obviously a biased fanboy so I won't waste any time arguing with you.

Yes true Azir needs for mobility.Because you hit to one champion you stop.1100 range but according to situation.I think you're an Azir hater.

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20162 votes

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Yes true Azir needs for mobility.Because you hit to one champion you stop.1100 range but according to situation.I think you're an Azir hater.

That's entirely true, I utterly hate Azir and I feel his only saving grace is that I don't have to face him that often.

TrxKxyFeb 15, 20162 votes

{quoted} The knockup was remove because he already had too much in his kit. The knockup was overkill. Heck, if I had my way I'd even remove his free turret, don't see why he needs two ults.

If anybody's kit is overloaded, it would definitely be Yasuo and Thresh. His E shield is very pathetic and Azir's passive is useless in Dominion. They also changed the attack speed CDR passive, it was used to duel early game and he can barely even do that now.

Healz PleaseFeb 15, 20167 votes

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A lot rule.Do you ask to people? They say that Azir isn't mobile champion.

Last I checked move speed has very little to do with mobility in a champion, if they have some other form of escape. Take Ez for exampke. I don't think anyone would call him immobile, yet he only has 325. What about Leblanc? She only has 335 move speed. Move speed is liwer, generally, for ranged champions for balance reasons.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 15, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Healz Please,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HpAOTB3q,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-02-15T00:20:46.469+0000)

Last I checked move speed has very little to do with mobility in a champion, if they have some other form of escape. Take Ez for exampke. I don't think anyone would call him immobile, yet he only has 325. What about Leblanc? She only has 335 move speed. Move speed is liwer, generally, for ranged champions for balance reasons.

Ahri, Yasuo, Zed, Lb? Movement speed? Viktor is an immobile mage but he has 335 ms.

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HpAOTB3q,comment-id=00070000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-02-15T00:21:52.897+0000)

Ahri, Yasuo, Zed, Lb? Movement speed? Viktor is an immobile mage but he has 330 ms.

Victor doesn't have any dashes.

Yasuo and Zed are melee.

Ahri is pure bullshit though and the MS bonus from her Q makes her even more bullshit, but that doesn't mean I want Azir buffed.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 15, 20161 votes

but that doesn't mean I want Azir buffed.

Perception operation? I didn't say this.

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20162 votes

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but that doesn't mean I want Azir buffed.

Perception operation? I didn't say this.

I was referring to my own opinion not yours. My eyes are fine thank you.

NineTailedMysticFeb 15, 20162 votes

Ahri's MS is only 330

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 15, 20161 votes

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Ahri's MS is only 330

My bad.Sorry but Ahri is mobile champion.

NineTailedMysticFeb 15, 20163 votes

Didn't dispute that, she's pretty mobile with ult up, but her base Ms isn't anything special.

TrxKxyFeb 15, 20163 votes

His Cooldown for his dash is horrendous, and high dps doesn't matter when he gets 3 shot by everybody else. And AP Item costs also made things worse.

Hay5eedFeb 15, 20162 votes

Highest DPS: Frankly, thats an ADC's job. Most midlaner's are designed to burst down a single person (Zed, Ahri, TF, Talon, Fizz, LB) or perform some form of secondary support (Vel-koz, Xerath, Veigar if he isn't fed). Those who aren't designed like this are still designed around AOE burst damage (Brand, Lux). So DPS shouldn't really be a fair measure of Azir. He is not exactly the most mobile champion in the game and if he has to stay in fights for an extended period of time in order to do damage then what is keeping the enemy team from just focusing him? Massive Cockblock: The only cockblock mechanic of Azir that I can think of is using his Ult to save a teammate instead of Shuffling, still, it's an ult spent on saving someone. Quite mobile: Base move speed is 325 and his only dash ability is an ability that is only up every 8 seconds, can be blocked, and usually requires the use of two other spells to be effective. These two other spells will also probably have a CD of 4 secs and 3 secs. It also no longer knocks up, and the scale on the shield he gets is so pathetic that using it to dive is mostly not worth it. Immense zone control: He spawns a solider that has a short range and usually has to use a Q to get in position, which means that he will have no real escape. If he Q's on you, you can dive him for free.

WoonStruckFeb 15, 20162 votes

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Highest DPS: Frankly, thats an ADC's job. Most midlaner's are designed to burst down a single person (Zed, Ahri, TF, Talon, Fizz, LB) or perform some form of secondary support (Vel-koz, Xerath, Veigar if he isn't fed). Those who aren't designed like this are still designed around AOE burst damage (Brand, Lux). So DPS shouldn't really be a fair measure of Azir. He is not exactly the most mobile champion in the game and if he has to stay in fights for an extended period of time in order to do damage then what is keeping the enemy team from just focusing him? Massive Cockblock: The only cockblock mechanic of Azir that I can think of is using his Ult to save a teammate instead of Shuffling, still, it's an ult spent on saving someone. Quite mobile: Base move speed is 325 and his only dash ability is an ability that is only up every 8 seconds, can be blocked, and usually requires the use of two other spells to be effective. These two other spells will also probably have a CD of 4 secs and 3 secs. It also no longer knocks up, and the scale on the shield he gets is so pathetic that using it to dive is mostly not worth it. Immense zone control: He spawns a solider that has a short range and usually has to use a Q to get in position, which means that he will have no real escape. If he Q's on you, you can dive him for free.

He has more than one soldier. A 4 second window isn't much of a window. More of a hole in a group of rocks you can try sticking your arm in if you don't care about consequences.

having that long range escape DOES make him mobile. Yeah, someone can block it...that doesn't mean he's not really mobile with it because 90%+ of circumstances nobody will be able to block it unless they're LB who wastes flash, and even then it would be EXTREMELY hard and situational. The exceptions come in when you, for some reason, actually let someone get to you. In those cases, you can see where its safe to dash to without being blocked...back towards your base isn't always the best option...

Azir cockblocks pretty much every melee in the game and anyone shorter range than him, so yeah. Cockblock.

He is the highest DPS mage, and also rather safe and oppressive to anyone that isn't more mobile than him and his disengage. The only way to kill a good Azir otherwise is if he makes a HUGE mistake.

There is no reason there should be absolutely no win condition against a champion if you don't have another specific champion. Its the same reason Kalista is a very stupid concept, but at least she can be bursted down by mages easily, as her range isn't that long.

TrxKxyFeb 15, 20162 votes

Even with Azir's escape not being blocked, Leblanc can catch up very easily along with other high mobility champs putting Azir down. Range doesn't mean anything when Champs can blink constantly whereas Azir's escape has a very high cooldown.

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20163 votes

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Highest DPS: Frankly, thats an ADC's job. Most midlaner's are designed to burst down a single person (Zed, Ahri, TF, Talon, Fizz, LB) or perform some form of secondary support (Vel-koz, Xerath, Veigar if he isn't fed). Those who aren't designed like this are still designed around AOE burst damage (Brand, Lux). So DPS shouldn't really be a fair measure of Azir. He is not exactly the most mobile champion in the game and if he has to stay in fights for an extended period of time in order to do damage then what is keeping the enemy team from just focusing him? Massive Cockblock: The only cockblock mechanic of Azir that I can think of is using his Ult to save a teammate instead of Shuffling, still, it's an ult spent on saving someone. Quite mobile: Base move speed is 325 and his only dash ability is an ability that is only up every 8 seconds, can be blocked, and usually requires the use of two other spells to be effective. These two other spells will also probably have a CD of 4 secs and 3 secs. It also no longer knocks up, and the scale on the shield he gets is so pathetic that using it to dive is mostly not worth it. Immense zone control: He spawns a solider that has a short range and usually has to use a Q to get in position, which means that he will have no real escape. If he Q's on you, you can dive him for free.

Yet DPS is what Azir has, and sustaining damage on his opponents is what he does, he doesn't burst in the sense that most APC's burst (annie, lux etc), he outputs damage more like a traditional adc does, thus, shouldn't he be measure by it? The irony is that while most adc's will be dealing heavy sustained damage to a single target, Azir will be dealing massive sustained damage to anyone within his danger zone (which is, infront of his cockblocking wall)

Technically, Azir can save an entire team with his ult, and in the same go, turn a fight against his opponents, so I don't what the fuck you are talking about or why you are trying so hard to downplay his capabilites. If that's not massively cockblocking I don't know what is.

He has a dash, unreliable or not he has it, and will thus be in a mobility class above say Annie, who is truely immobile, you can twist and turn it however you, doesn't change anything, he IS mobile, PERIOD.

So what if it can be blocked? If Azir missus it it's his own damn fault, geez man, one could swear to god you just want to have an easy mode champ tailor to suit you for freelo.

He already has massive range, does he also need the most reliable gapcloser/escape? Does Vel'koz have dashe? Does Lux? Does any other long ranged mage?

Maybe you should consider, that the scaling on his shield has to be a token scaling because, it would be fucking broken if he had strong scalings on it when he already has so many defensive capabilites? -.-

Immense zone control: He can spawn a fucking turret, I repeat, SPAWN.. A.. FUCKING... TURRET. Not only can he spawn a turret in whatever lane he pleases, he has all the capabilites to defend it, consider those unique tactical advantages.

I rest my case.

TrxKxyFeb 15, 20161 votes

I think that you don't know how to play against Azir, his turret is way worse than regular ones, and the regular towers are weak also. You are also forgetting that Azir can only attack one person with his soldiers, he can't chose which one attacks individually. If you're having trouble playing against an Azir why didn't you just say so?

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20163 votes

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I think that you don't know how to play against Azir, his turret is way worse than regular ones, and the regular towers are weak also. You are also forgetting that Azir can only attack one person with his soldiers, he can't chose which one attacks individually. If you're having trouble playing against an Azir why didn't you just say so?

Bullshit, every interaction with his soldiers do AoE damage. Who is the one that doesn't have a clue?

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Azir

Arise! When Azir attacks an enemy in a soldier's range, the soldier attacks in his stead, dealing magic damage to all enemies in a line. Multiple soldiers can strike the same target, with each soldier beyond the first dealing 25% damage. Azir can only command soldiers when near them.

Conquering Sands ACTIVE: Azir orders all Sand Soldiers to dash toward the target location, dealing magic damage to all enemies they pass through and Slow icon slowing them by 25% for 1 second. MAGIC DAMAGE: 65 / 85 / 105 / 125 / 145 (+ 50% AP) Enemies hit by multiple soldiers do not take additional damage, but are Slow icon slowed by an additional 25% per soldier beyond the first.

Emperors Divide ACTIVE: Azir calls forth a shield-wall of soldiers from behind him which charge in the target direction, Airborne icon knocking back enemies and dealing magic damage.

Way to go to embarass yourself, good job.

CatastropFeb 15, 20162 votes

I'm upset you got downvoted.

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20163 votes

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I'm upset you got downvoted.

Honestly, getting downvoted by people that can't argue for the 2 cents... is something I wear like a badge of honor.

RyouuFeb 14, 20166 votes

dermatologists hate him

DeathcapShacoFeb 15, 20166 votes

No. Azir is a toxic champ and needs reworked/rethought.

No one enjoys playing against Azir when he's strong. I don't even enjoy playing against him right now. Constantly auto attacked by a solider I can't even hit over and over again every time I want to hit a last hit is horrible to lane against.

He still see's pro play from time to time anyway.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 15, 20161 votes

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No. Azir is a toxic champ and needs reworked/rethought.

No one enjoys playing against Azir when he's strong. I don't even enjoy playing against him right now. Constantly auto attacked by a solider I can't even hit over and over again every time I want to hit a last hit is horrible to lane against.

He still see's pro play from time to time anyway.

No.You didn't watch pro play.Azir didn't pick in NA LCS,LCK and LPL.Only 1 time EU and LPL.

DeathcapShacoFeb 15, 20163 votes

One time. That's more times than most of the champion roster.

Either way I don't want to see him buffed, I think he's a toxic champion that when strong is just disgusting to play against, esepcially in laning phase. I'd rather lane against anything else, even Zed.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 15, 20161 votes

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One time. That's more times than most of the champion roster.

Either way I don't want to see him buffed, I think he's a toxic champion that when strong is just disgusting to play against, esepcially in laning phase. I'd rather lane against anything else, even Zed.

But I want to see him buffed.Also Zed is high skill champion but Zed has 52% win rate?

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20165 votes

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But I want to see him buffed.Also Zed is high skill champion but Zed has 52% win rate?

Zed is imba. Everyone knows this, including the people that are abusing him, but they will never say it because it's in their interest to keep him that way? In a perfect world Zed would be sharing Azirs winrate.

TrxKxyFeb 15, 20163 votes

There are way far more toxic champs that absolutely destroy him. Even though his soldiers are obnoxious, they're the only thing that he has going for him.

Only Play DariusFeb 15, 20164 votes

I don't mind playing against Azir

At least when I lose to him I feel genuinely outskilled, as opposed to brainless shit like Teemo/Mundo/Kalista

Mirage SeraphFeb 15, 20164 votes

I've picked him up again recently after getting burnt out on him a few months back.

... Fix his bugs Riot, please and thank you, but for the love of all that is holy don't bring this guy back into his limelight.

When you get ahead THERE IS NOTHING the enemy can do. He's a Hypercarry with a massive skill floor and an unseen skill ceiling, mid 40% winrate is more than acceptable. The only reason he's not seeing much proplay is because most proplay mid laners counter him if I'm not mistaken. The fact that they're playing Azir at all means he's not weak.

TrxKxyFeb 15, 20162 votes

All the Azir players I've seen that do well still get destroyed, and so do some of the Pros. The fact that they're not playing Azir does mean he is weak in this sense.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 15, 20161 votes

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All the Azir players I've seen that do well still get destroyed, and so do some of the Pros. The fact that they're not playing Azir does mean he is weak in this sense.

You don't care this people.Azir's topic has 1000 upvote Reddit.Everyone know he needs buffs.

GlockHammerFeb 15, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HpAOTB3q,comment-id=001000000000,timestamp=2016-02-15T04:14:35.965+0000)

You don't care this people.Azir's topic has 1000 upvote Reddit.Everyone know he needs buffs.

No, he doesn't need straight buffs, buffs will only break him again, he's THE FUCKING RAIDBOSS ENDGAME MONSTERGOD OF SHURIMA - If Azir get's his full build nothing in the game will save you, seriously, not a goddamn things works.

His skills are reliable and his range massive, when was the last time you saw Azir miss with his soldiers or have them juked? I haven't seen it yet and I saw a ton of Azir last season, hiding behind towers don't work against him, whilst diving him doesn't work either due to the nature of his kit.

So alas, IF and I really mean ,IF, anything I'd say ok: Shift a little power from his lvl 9000 raidboss endgame into his early, but nothing beyond that.

TrxKxyFeb 15, 20162 votes

I don't think dealing with a full build Azir is an issue when Xin Xhao and Rengar are in the game with their current state. There are SO many champions that are way more obnoxious than Azir.

Mirage SeraphFeb 15, 20163 votes

"All the Azir players I've seen that do well still get destroyed,"

I assume you mean late game? If so, this doesn't mean he's weak, it means the other team managed to jump on him through good champion picks (Malph, Zed, Talon..) or because his team or Azir himself couldn't peel properly which means a lot more late game than it does in the laning phase. A GOOD Azir will stay ahead, to put it better.

TrxKxyFeb 15, 20162 votes

Throughout the game Azir is weak,

through good champion picks (Malph, Zed, Talon..)

Peeling these champs are nearly impossible when they're ahead, and they get ahead because of how strong they are compared to Azir. A good Azir can get ahead but won't stay there because he gets out killed by assassins and tanks.

DivewingFeb 15, 20161 votes

Believe me I want nothing more than Azir buffs... But he doesn't really need them. The simple fact is he's useless pre rylais+nashors, but quickly ramps up afterwards, especially after items such as Void Staff and Deathcap. That said his mama is a problem in relation to his item powerspikes, I don't bother with a mana item anymore since it delays my core for too long.

TrxKxyFeb 15, 20162 votes

Even with Rylais and Nashors it's already 15+ minutes to start doing damage whereas other midlaners have it from the very beginning.

Only Play DariusFeb 15, 20163 votes

That's a problem with the game pacing. That's why Lux is the strongest AP midlaner right now, she doesn't need to farm that much because be it through CC or base damage she will have an impact mid-game regardless. It's not just Azir who is suffering, other item dependent midlaners like Cass and Yasuo are getting shit on by champions who bring more to midgame and just snowball from there

DivewingFeb 15, 20163 votes

Other mid laners can't 1v5 at 40 minutes. Azir is one of, if not the, late game AP monster. There is precious little that can stand up to him at that stage for long, 15 minutes isn't that sad a price to pay for that kind of power. If there are problems with Azir right now, it's either the state of the game, or the state of the AP items, but not him.