SOMETIMES I WANT TO WALK THROUGH THE JUNGLE WITHOUT STUPID ANIMALS BITING MY ANKLE, OR SOMETIMES I WANT TO FREEZE A LANE SO I CAN FARM WITHOUT PUSHING THE WAVE TOO HARD, OR STAND NEXT TO MY LANE ENEMY AND GIVE HIM A HUG UNDER TOWER WITHOUT GETTING TOWER AGRO. RITO PLS
ModKnightsKemplar4 votesI feel you. It wouldn't be that hard to add a toggle. I can get behind this.
Featherztorm2 votesKnow why it hasn't gotten a toggle? Because it's a stupid idea.
ModKnightsKemplar2 votesWhy? I don't understand why having a toggle on it would be bad. You can be happy and just always leave it on. Won't affect your game a bit, friend.
Featherztorm1 votesRiot should probably give you the option to toggle fog on and off, too, huh?
HalloweenDeath1 votesRiot should probably give you the option to toggle fog on and off, too, huh?
But only top laners get it and top laners have great excapes and ussally they don't cs under tower that well so who ever pushes to the enemys tower wins the lane in my case but i'm only bronze so maybe it's different for others.
Aurora Celeste3 votesI want this so badly. There are times when I'm split pushing and someone comes to stop me. If they don't have the damage to kill me ill ignore them and hit the turret, but the sunfire cape often gives me the turret agro. A toggle would be really useful for these situations.
HalloweenDeath2 votesIf your buying sunfire cape your already tanky and the jungle things won't do shit to you because you're only there for 2 seconds they will rarely even get more then 1 hit on you. If your planning on freezing your lane why are you rushing sunfire cape? Just buy an omen instead.
AMYS GRAVE2 votes2)sometimes you don't want to push and you don't know that you wont want to freeze at all during a game when you buy it.
the omen is more expensive than sunfire
in teamfights sunfire might have better synergy with your kit (depending on your champ)
when pushing a turret you might not want to draw turret aggro by accidentally damaging an enemy champ.
HalloweenDeath1 votes
- the jungle camps running around can give away your position to the enemy,
2)sometimes you don't want to push and you don't know that you wont want to freeze at all during a game when you buy it.
the omen is more expensive than sunfire
in teamfights sunfire might have better synergy with your kit (depending on your champ)
when pushing a turret you might not want to draw turret aggro by accidentally damaging an enemy champ.
The omen is only 350 gold more but the omen has a much better build path so you can just easily buy a wardens mail and be on your marry way to top lane and wait for a tiny bit of gold for a better item in your situation. Sunfire cape IMO should rarely be rushed and you should buy more core items first.
AMYS GRAVE2 votes350 gold is 4 wards an a health pot which is not an insignificant amount of gold.
I never said to rush it, only that buying it is not a bad decision.
Omen might not be a better item in your situation, that's my point.
and you haven't even tried to address the other 4 points i made, which are the biggest reasons to make it toggleable.
FantasySniper2 votesFor any and all arguments against this, please refer to my old thread, espcially if you want a more in-depth reasoning.
redniwediS1 votesIf you want to freeze a lane don't buy Sunfire. It really is that simple, just adjust your build to your current needs.
AMYS GRAVE2 votesYou might not be planning on freezing wave, but sometimes the need arises. if you want to slow push for a big minion wave you need to be able to kill the caster minions without killing the meele minions, which sunfire doesn't allow. currently sunfire dictates the choices you can make, while the proposed change would allow for more meaningful choices in game. that's the point.
redniwediS1 votesAnd why can't you simply walk around the melee minions? You don't have to stand right next to them.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesif i'm slow pushing, i only want to last hit minions, not damage them all as much as possible as quickly as possible as you would when you are hard pushing. the sunfire cape makes this impossible. avoiding the melee minions isn't enough to slow push, you also need to avoid the high health caster minions.
walking around the melee minions to avoid them and behind the enemy minon wave to avoid sunfire cape damage to the minions that i'm not currently trying to last hit will change how the enemy minion wave aggros on my minion wave making it impossible to freeze lane. standing behind the enmy minion wave will also mean that the next enemy wave meets me instead of my wave, which means in order to not do damage to them i have to get back behind my minion wave until all the enemy minions clash with mine, then walk back around to the caster minons to last hit them without drawing aggro on the enemy minon wave and in that time i've missed several cs or i've pushed when i didn't want to.
in short with a sunfire cape you can't freeze a wave effectively, limiting your meaningful choices in game. making it toggleable would fix this, and if you don't like that then you can always leave it on.
ps there are other reasons it should be toggleable ^
redniwediS1 votesSunfire cape is known as the wave pushing item for characters with little to no DPS. I'll just return to my first point and say you should buy something else if you have any intention of freezing lane.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesSunfire cape is known as the wave pushing item for characters with little to no DPS.
You say that like it's true (AP amumu for example), but my point is that it doesn't have to be a pushing only item. if it were toggleable it would make more sense to buy it in other roles, leading to better item diversity and more meaningful choices in game.
Even if you're just split pushing, if an enemy champ walks up to you while you are damaging their turret, you draw turret aggro. that is probably not what you want. so sunfire isn't good if you're freezing, isn't good if you're pushing, and a toggle feature would fix both of these issues.
redniwediS1 votesI said that because it is true. Shen is the classic example for it.
You seem to be missing my point on build order. When I play top lane I often get a Sunfire, but I never finish it before I take the first top tower. Once that tower's down your job as a tanky top laner changes, and turret aggro is not a particularly scary thing for you anyway, but before that you should not be getting Sunfire. Your point on build diversity is a good one, but I see no reason to change Sunfire just because some people do not understand when you should and should not be building one.
Aozora1 votesShouldn't be freezing lane if you're gonna build Sunfire cape. And usually it's tanky champs building Sunfire so the little nibbles from the wolf camp shouldn't be that big of a deal
Jenova Synthesis1 votesYou just have to learn proper usage of it. Rushing sunfire cape isn't really one of the best ideas anyway, but it can be a bit of a pain if laning phase is taking longer than usual. I love how sunfire isn't a toggle. Because it doesn't do *that * much damage, it would be so easily forgettable.
