Warwick and Malzahar rework? (at least their ults)

Marthian·10/5/2014, 9:22:06 PM·1 votes·832 views

So lately I've been seeing more and more Warwicks and Malzahars, and for good reason: They have some extremely powerful kits with a lack of counterplay.

Malzahar is very oppressive in lane and can shove like no one's business. The fact he gets mana back from it as well is extremely powerful and doesn't have any counterplay. During a 1v1, he insta-wins any duel due to his ultimate. His ultimate is a click suppress for an extremely long duration, and if he's a decent malzahar, he used all of his abilities as well, securing a kill.

Warwick isn't much of an improvement. Asides from whether he should have good sustain, his Ult and Blood Scent lacks counterplay as well. His ult is a click suppress, and deals a ton of damage if you have a couple on hit effects. This can bring squishies to low health, which then makes him near impossible to escape from since blood scent both GIVES SIGHT of weak champions and a great movement speed buff.

Now there's Quick Silver Sash to counter both champions, but it also is problematic in itemization and price: It delays your final build by a lot (1550 gold) and for APCs, doesn't build into any damage items. It feels kind of crummy to buy if you are already behind as is, meanwhile they just get to build more damage.

Simply put, both champions need some counterplay to their ults. Right now, they are top tier duelists due to the lack of good counterplay.

9 Comments

Sailor Mint10/5/2014, 9:35:43 PM1 votes

Warwick is getting a new kit, you can see it here. Malzahar's kit lacks focus and has clear issues.

NeoScout10/5/2014, 10:42:51 PM1 votes

no, leave them alone

Foovy11/10/2014, 5:20:54 AM1 votes

PLEASE NERF THEM. i play mid a lot and when i vs malzahar i wanna cry cuz i know whats gonna happen he pokes me until 6 then ults me then kills then walks away like nothing happened like SERIOUSLY there is NO skill and i mean none with malzahar its just the stupidest thing ever PLS GIVE HIM A NERF

Stephenizgod11/10/2014, 5:31:09 AM1 votes

Well i cant speak for Warwick players but as a Malzahar player i can say i disagree with you. Malzahar is pretty easy to deal with actually, if he bullies you in lane let him push since there is no stopping his E he cant always control lane. Then just call the jungler for help... easy kill he has no escapes whatsoever. Also Stuns, Silences, Fears, Knock-ups, and Knock-backs will cancel his ult even if cast after he ults you, i dont like this mechanic but his ult is not instant so you have some playroom.

Also note that his W has a much longer range then his Ult, so if he throws down the pool on you he is most likely about to use his ult. 2 things can be done back away immediately or just immediately flash, his ult does surprisingly little damage without the added damage of his W.

Dodge his Q's as well because depending on what he maxes they can be nukes.

Best advice is to just let him push and call for ganks often, when shut down he becomes more then useless.

Bears Dont Care11/14/2014, 6:53:29 PM1 votes

Well...yeah...what else is Warwick going to do? His kit is old and outdated.

FooDang11/14/2014, 7:33:58 PM1 votes

item 3140 probably the only thing besides your team breaking thier channel...stay close to your friends when the wolf is lurking ;)...