I Just want a fair game, no more 4 man groups vs 5 solo queuers

Savage27·Mar 30, 2016·69 votes·2,556 views

So i was in my promos for plat 4, and i got matched with 4 other solo que players. when the loading screen hit i found out that i had 1 silver and 3 gold on my team, vs 3 plats and 2 diamonds. 4 of which were a premade group. Like what the hell riot. HOW IS THIS FAIR. im tired of getting shit on because half of my team isnt good enough to play against their opponents. not to mention having those opponents being able to communicate so much better than ours just makes it even worse. I play league to enjoy a fair game and try to outplay the enemy. how can i do that when at 10 minutes i cant even farm because my support when 0/3 from all the ganks. Just make ranked games fair riot. I want to be able to lose and say "you know what, we were just outplayed and it was a fun game." not "well half of my team is 5 levels below them, this is stupid."

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La BarbotteMar 30, 201630 votes

meanwhile in rito NSA HQ

''damn, he reached promos boss''

''hmmpf, that little brat, send in the premade''

''but sir, isnt that extreme ?''

''do as i say''

ChaoticPineconeMar 30, 201615 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Savage27

Lies are so easy to figure out. In your most recent game, YOU were on the team with 3 plats and 2 golds versus a team with 4 golds and 1 silver. You still lost. In your second most recent game, You were on a team with 4 golds 1 plat, and the enemy also had 4 golds and 1 plat.

Would you like to show us the game where you had 1 silver and 3 golds on your team versus 3 plats and 2 diamonds?

theArtifactsMar 31, 20161 votes

{quoted}

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Savage27

Lies are so easy to figure out. In your most recent game, YOU were on the team with 3 plats and 2 golds versus a team with 4 golds and 1 silver. You still lost. In your second most recent game, You were on a team with 4 golds 1 plat, and the enemy also had 4 golds and 1 plat.

Would you like to show us the game where you had 1 silver and 3 golds on your team versus 3 plats and 2 diamonds?

I stand in applause.

Savage27Apr 4, 20161 votes

lol again you made this comment a day after this actually happened so i played multiple games after this. not to mention, people who are plats this season can easily have been diamond last season. Youve never heard of smurf accounts? and no tbh i never took the time to screenshot it. because i was mad at the fact the enemy team tells me theyre a seasoned premade group that shit on us. i understand people lie, honest they might not have been diamonds like they said. but they played a helluva lot better than my teammates so i took their word for it. you can take my word for it too or not. all i know is going up against a 4 premade with 5 solo queuers is still bullshit. but hey thanks for taking the time to try and prove me wrong.

ChaoticPineconeApr 4, 20161 votes

You want to still stick by your lie? OK - tell me what champion you were playing. Because according to OP.gg, you won both the games you played the day before the comment. You lost 2 the day before, when you had 3plat1gold vs 5 gold and 2plat3gold vs 1plat4gold.

Again, lies about games are so easy to figure out. Tell me the game youre talking about instead of vaguely saying "a day after this happened". Because we can see for sure if you were teamed with 1 silver and 3 golds on your teams versus 3 plats and 2 diamonds.

Because honestly, if you had 1silver3golds on your team versus 3 plats2diamond, Id agree with you. But it didnt happen.

Savage27Apr 5, 20161 votes

Lol you really didnt even read my comment. people can be in diamond last season and thats what counts nowadays. dynamic queue makes it hard to know where people belong. but whatever dude, think whatever you want. Plus the point of this is the fact that being grouped up against a clearly seasoned team of players when you have nothing but solo queuer's is shit. And by team, i mean the fact that theyre grouped in a 4 man. but hey keep bringing up shit to refute me. i love wasting your time over something so stupid.

ChaoticPineconeApr 5, 20161 votes

Lol.

I love making people look stupid and dumb. You want to stick by your lie? This can easily be solved. Last season rankings, this seasons rankings, whatever. Lets solve this right now.

Show me the game.

Very Hard EngageMar 30, 20169 votes

100% chance in promos.

Live2LetDieMar 30, 20167 votes

The probability that 4 man vs 5 solo q is like 3% chance.

SlaktarTaskenMar 30, 201624 votes

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The probability that 4 man vs 5 solo q is like 3% chance.

Fuck chance, shit like that shouldn't happen at all.

ParcevalMar 31, 20161 votes

... You also shouldn't die of a heart attack, or in a car crash. But there's a higher chance you will than each time you queue up for ranked.

PunkkeeApr 5, 20161 votes

no.

ParcevalApr 5, 20161 votes

http://www.nsc.org/learn/safety-knowledge/Pages/injury-facts-chart.aspx

"Teams made of solos and duos are matched against a premade 4 or premade 5 only 0.21% of the time."

.21% is approximately equal to 1 in 476.

Feel free to scroll.

PunkkeeApr 5, 20161 votes

dude read what your own link even says it says

Keep in mind these odds are statistical averages over the entire U.S. population and do not necessarily reflect the chances of death for a particular person from a particular external cause.

ParcevalApr 5, 20161 votes

... Even taking into account variability around the mean due to stochastic conditions, my two references are still ALMOST CERTAINLY higher than 1 in 476.

AMYS GRAVEMar 30, 20164 votes

a 3% chance that a 4 man isn't paired against another 4 man. That percentage also covers 4man vs 5man, 4 man vs 3man and 4 man vs 2 2man premades.

VelasanMar 31, 20163 votes

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The probability that 4 man vs 5 solo q is like 3% chance.

I haven't experienced this so much, but I have already had several three man premades vs solo quers just in the last two days and a couple more last week. It does happen, just not all the time.

General Esdeath Mar 31, 20163 votes

3% of a one sided fight that's unfair from the start is too high

YossarianSenseiMar 31, 20162 votes

You really wanna deal with that 1 in 30 times?

Shyt like this is why I never play League other than in a premade anymore. I guess that's what Riot wants.

ParcevalMar 31, 20162 votes

Yes, that's reasonable.

iainB85Mar 31, 20161 votes

It really feels that way. As a solo queuer I'm done with this game unless Riot makes some changes.

Zeal SeekerMar 31, 20165 votes

Thats's what riot wants you to think

A Miss FortuneMar 31, 20163 votes

I believe thousands and thousands of games are played each day. Even having a 3% chance is a ton of games unfairly ruined.

Savage27Apr 4, 20161 votes

Please explain to me where you get this percentage. Because shit you not, this has happened to me at least 3 times already. and it wasnt like i just guessed cuz i was salty, the other team would straight up tell me.

Live2LetDieApr 4, 20161 votes

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Please explain to me where you get this percentage. Because shit you not, this has happened to me at least 3 times already. and it wasnt like i just guessed cuz i was salty, the other team would straight up tell me.

It's in the sticky thread at the top of the board. People raging when it is simple math. Last numbers I saw was there is around 30 mil games played a month. 3% of that is still 900k games where 2 solo people play with 4 mans but it's still such a low percentage that it doesn't matter.

GayFluffyUnicornMar 30, 20166 votes

Actually i don't want to say anything about this topic but it drives me so insane like really. Two times i've been climbing to gold 1 now trying to get plat. Suddenly MASSIVE losing streaks with maybe one win inbetween. Got to gold 5 back, to gold 1 again and now i'm near to getting demoted to gold 4 again. All the time i have some retard premades on my team or like last game we were 3 solos and bot premade vs jungle,top,mid premade and bot premade. How is this even remotely fair? In the loading screen i knew it would be over and guess what, the premade jungler just ganked the shit out of toplaner. after 15 minutes he was 0/6. You always had this bad luck influence but now with an already unbalanced meta+ dynQ it's horrible and i think i would rather win the lottery than getting back to where i started (plat+ in preseason).

Nagma is backMar 30, 20164 votes

every issue with this systeme will be resolved once riot listen to the comunity and bring back solo q no solo in dynamic q , no problems

General Esdeath Mar 31, 20164 votes

"once riot listens to the community"

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

XonraMar 31, 20164 votes

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every issue with this systeme will be resolved once riot listen to the comunity and bring back solo q no solo in dynamic q , no problems

Yup, if all the casual buddies want to queue up in ranked, they can do it in a fair way against other premades.

I'm not here to be the fodder for the 2 guys carrying their friend in ranked. Would be nice to have the option not to even have a 3% chance of dealing with a 4 man premade, because it should be 0% all the time. Even a 0.1% chance is a 100% failure to be quite frank.

What's the point of ranked queues at all if there is any chance the system will place you in a completely unfavorable situation before champ select even starts, given the already partially luck based nature of ranked in this current state.

sreggadMar 31, 20162 votes

so your saying no solo players in dynamic Q. Well that kills any 4man premades from ever playing. That makes 2man premade HAVE To be paired with 3man premades. SoloQ and DynamicQ can't coexist. It's either one or the other.

TheGangplankMar 31, 20164 votes

I'm sorry for saying that... But I find it hard to believe that a silver got matched with a diamond..link me to match plz and prove me wrong

ParcevalMar 31, 20162 votes

I call complete shenanigans and a bait post. He's making it up. But it gets upvoted by the rabble.

paisyMar 31, 20163 votes

I had a diamond player in my team and I'm in bronze 3. But it was in normals so I'm not sure if it's relevant.

ParcevalMar 31, 20164 votes

The last game you played:

Your team: G5, P5, P3, P5, G4 Enemy Team: G2, G2, G5, S1, G2

You lost.

Savage27Apr 4, 20162 votes

lol you commented a day after this happened. im pretty sure that i played other games after this happened

ParcevalApr 5, 20161 votes

I wasn't arguing about your last game, I was arguing against your point which was negated by a single data point.

What's more, I went through your history and compared it to your comment, and I couldn't find a comparable situation in TWO WEEKS prior.

So, naw, you made this up.

XonraMar 31, 20163 votes

I've yet to be against a 4 man as solo but I've been against multiple 3 versus solo just this week.

sunni laboeufMar 31, 20161 votes

Since its SO easy to climb with dynamic q , then who cares if you are put against diamond and plat. They are just a bunch of boosted noobs right ? P.s its ironic when people claim that dynamic q is easier and bla bla bla and then cry when put against diamond or plat.

General Esdeath Mar 31, 20165 votes

easy to climb and carried are two very different things.

bleufromageMar 31, 20161 votes

I dont find this happening at all. What I do find is that because there are premade people on my team there are premades on theirs; but our premades are absolute shit and theirs are working together. Its not fair that I did not opt into a 4 man premade but I have to face one. Those guys on your team were probably a 4 man group they just didnt have the same group name or similar summoner names. They probably where just a bunch of crappy playing friends.