Some ideas for Kennen

Zendrô·1/29/2015, 1:29:41 AM·14 votes·1,486 views

-Remove all his cast times to make his gameplay feel more fluid and "ninja-like" (it's the little things that make all the difference)

-Add a range indicator to his W similar to how Yasuo's Q tornado range works (why not?)

-Make his ultimate prioritize Targets marked with his passive and then the targets nearest to him ( the RNG factor) Read Edit for changes

Ofc numbers could be tweaked to compensate for these changes, but overall i think this would make Kennen more enjoyable to play Kennen

Edit: For clarification, I just wanted Kennen to be able to keep moving whilst casting his spells but there can still be a delay similar to Syndras Q

Also as someone suggested, with the current PBE change for kennen (his W affecting everyone in his ult) I think that it'd be better if the ult prioritized unmarked targets (aka adcs in the backline) and then targets closest to him so that he could pull off team stuns more efficiently

20 Comments

Jambat1/29/2015, 2:06:40 AM4 votes

I agree with this.

Lightning Rush should have a very tight aoe radius around Kennen, instead of requiring you to go through the enemy. With the ping issues, those cases where you get phantom misses with it annoy me to all hell.

Thundering Shuriken should be tested without a cast time. On one hand, I can see it having it's purpose giving melee a chance to counter-play him since Kennen is seen as a top lane by Riot, but on the other hand I don't see the purpose of it anymore with the state of todays game. But I think it would be worth checking it out - if it makes him yet another oppressive ranged top laner, then don't do it. If it just makes the gameplay a bit smoother, then good change.

Just fix his animations. He feels unwieldy at times.

The other changes you listed sound good. I think numbers wise Kennen is in a great place. I think just some general quality of life boosts could help my favorite Yordle see a bit more play.

Edit: And Riot, make his eyes gray again in the VU that's currently on the PBE!

BeatzBoyFTW1/29/2015, 9:13:51 AM2 votes

TL;DR Buff Kennen more to bully more top melee laners.

fk nu

TheKingDodo1/29/2015, 1:35:39 AM2 votes

If they don't remove his cast times, at least make him not waste his W when all marked targets are dead, zhonyad or out of range during his slow ass cast animation. It's a huge problem and very punishing for far from mechanically perfect kennens like me :( His W need an indicator really... it's range is pretty big, it' right between his auto and his Q range so you can visually see how far it is when you do your auto-Q-W combo

HigeR1/29/2015, 5:38:52 AM1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/a2og7rRs-once-again-qol-tweaks-for-kennen

I did this a while ago (six months apparently O.o) taking away his casting times is also a good idea, perhaps not so much on his W but on Q definitely.

His recent change made me really happy as well as his TU (though I'd like it better if it was his much needed VU but we'll have to wait longer for that one)

I love Kennen so much but honestly playing him as clunky as he is right now is pretty much a handicap =/

ZenHero1/29/2015, 6:10:41 AM1 votes

With his tu on the pbe atm I think that these long overdue changes would be amazing!

ThePlasticSpork1/29/2015, 10:13:04 AM1 votes

The Q cast time isn't really that big a deal to me, but the W is definitely a big deal. In the time it takes for the ability to go off so many different things can happen that screw it up (zhonyas, they get out of range, untargetability to name a few), and temporarily stopping while you're E'ing to W is clunky at best.

ABlueQuaker1/29/2015, 10:19:11 AM1 votes

-Clean up his Auto-Attack. The sound it makes specifically puts me off. -perhaps return some of his base AD/AD Scaling now that Melee champions can deal with Ranged harass better as well as there being a higher amount and stronger Ranged Top Laners in the FotM tier atm.

junglerboy161/29/2015, 1:06:08 PM1 votes

Cast times keep him balanced. He is already really strong right now and is on the verge of being FotM from what I've seen. A range indicator on W would be a nice QoL in my opinion. Giving his ult better target prioritization could be good.

Jungle Lux God1/29/2015, 3:55:13 PM1 votes

In regards to cast times, Electrical Surge I could definitely see getting a cast time reduction or even removal. However, the cast time on Thundering Shuriken needs to stay in some form, even if it gets reduced a bit, because his opponents needs his cast time in order to play against Kennen. If there are no minions in the way, W passive auto, Q, W is a guaranteed stun now, while on live, you can still dodge the Q because of the cast time. This is especially problematic against a lot of melee champions that Kennen used to be able to bully without much contest, as they have even less of a possibility to trade against Kennen.

Range indicator on Electrical Surge is a cool idea, and works as a nice QoL buff.

Slicing Maelstrom could use a target prioritization, but rather than prioritizing targets marked with his passive first, I think it should prioritize unmarked targets because it offers a lot of more interesting gameplay.

Your current teamfight rotation with Kennen is to Lightning Rush in, and then Slicing Maelstrom.

If it prioritized champions marked with his passive, it means that his ultimate would prioritize the front line tanks that he Lightning Rushed through, and ideally Kennen wants to be damaging the squishies that are dealing all of the enemy team's damage, although there is the exception of Kennen getting a good flank off.

However, if it prioritized unmarked champions, Kennen would be able to Lightning Rush through the front line, ult, and the prioritization would hit the unmarked back line of the enemy team, which is what Kennen wants to hit. His ability to flank also doesn't get changed too much because if Kennen plays it right, he would be out or range of the enemy front line, and Kennen would still be able to deal tons of damage to the enemy back line.

Making it prioritize unmarked champs also adds a lot more to Kennen, as Kennen would be able to reliably get a five man Electrical Surge on the enemy team, while if he wants to focus a target down in the way that prioritizing marked targets would, he could just Thundering Shuriken the target he wants to hit.

Blue Kaozi1/29/2015, 4:02:45 PM1 votes

I dont think Kennen is as weak as people make him out to be. Last season I carried myself to plat by maining him. Kept around a 65-70% winrate most of the time. I'm worried if he gets buffs he doesn't need he'll end up being nerfed a ton later like many other champs today. Sure, it would be nice but I wouldn't want them increasing the CD on his w and e to compensate.

IronChefBoyardee1/29/2015, 4:46:22 PM1 votes

I feel as though the cast time on Q is fine, but I agree that Maelstrom needs to not have a cast time

lojician1/29/2015, 5:25:51 PM1 votes

Kennen shouldn't be buffed until riot's balance team pulls their collective heads out of their collective butts and fixes ranged/melee laning or else he's just going to join gnar and lissandra facerolling top.

Junkο1/29/2015, 5:46:51 PM1 votes

They are making his W be able to be used on everybody in his ult on PBE. A W indicator would also be nice.

Riot plz.

Zendrô1/29/2015, 4:43:18 AM1 votes

Riot?

Yenn1/29/2015, 5:00:24 AM1 votes

Kennen doesn't need to be more enjoyable, he just needs to be made good. He's currently one of the worst top/mid champions in the game.