Shaco vs Warwick

AbysmalSquall··2 votes·2,504 views

A champ that has been near and dear to me and a Friend of mine is Shaco. Just something about him and his murderous humor made him a main stay in the last 3 seasons of us duoing. While he was never the strongest in our book, he was the most fun. However, more and more we notice that he has received only nerfs, and was snuffed in the recent assassin rework. I have decided to compare Shaco to Warwick just because Warwick seems to be the direction that riot is taking the game recently. The only way I could think to do this was by laying out their kits and giving + or - points based on that they do.

Warwick Passive +Bonus magic damage +Heals off that damage (if below half) +Heal is tripled if below 25% Q +120% ad scaling +100% ap scaling +Up to 10% of missing health +Heals for up to 70% of damage +Also dashes behind targets W Passive +Enemies below half are tracked +Up to 110% attack speed +Up to 55% move speed +Tripled against 20% or lower targets Active +Activate the passive on anybody -Only useable out of combat -CD is doubled if not hunting E +Up to 55% Damage reduction +Aoe Fear 1 second R +Huge gap close +Suppression +On hit effects applied 3 times +Heals for 100% of that damage -About 25% ad Scaling +Immune to all cc during Total - 17 Points

Shaco -8 Passive +Critical strikes from behind -Has a CD -Is reduced critical damage Q ++Blinks ++Invisible +Bonus Damage +Reduces own CD +40% scaling ap W +Camoflauged Trap -Takes 2 seconds to set up (can be killed in that time) -AOE Fears targets away (fears them out of its own range) -Does not apply spell effects -20% ap scaling -Gives gold -Easily countered with Scouring E Passive +Slows when not on CD Active +75% ad and ap scaling +3-8% missing health as damage Not a poison and there's two of nothing R -Has a long Animation -Has to be controlled -Point blank summon -Easily identifiable and avoided -Deals 75% -Reduced to 26% vs Turrets -Takes 50% increased damage from everything -100% vs Turrets ++Uses Shaco’s items and buffs -but not on attack effects +Detonates on death +100% ap scaling -Very small range +Drops mini Boxes -Have linked health -Takes 2 seconds to set up -Can be killed in that time -Disabled by scouring -15% ap scaling Total = -6 points

Now I know i might be biased to say that one of my favorite champs needs a buff, so i gave Shaco some extra points on his unique points like his invisibility and such. I also realize that this system of scoring is probably not perfect but there isn't a way i could think of that was. My biggest complaint here is the counter on Shaco. His boxes are bad, and all they did for his rework was tack them onto his ult. He cant fight near marksmen or people with scouring or control wards. His ult is lackluster and just kind of a gimmick.

We can't tell if he is supposed to be built ad because you need infinity edge for his passive, or ap because that's all his boxes and ult scale with; hybrid does not work any more in our opinion; attack speed is not viable because it does not scale with anything. You can build him tank but he has no sustain, and only a small amount of utility. I don't want to hear about Shaco's pick, ban, and win rates were bronze and play for fun. While I watch Shaco be thrown into the wood chipper, I see champs that everyone knows are strong be left alone.

Ok, rant done. How did I do? What did I miss? So what does everyone think is a fair way to compare champs? Anything in game is out of the question because of to many variables. Also, what are some champs that you feel are being left in the dust and why

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7 Comments

Scruberz1 votes

I think you missed the part where Shaco was so strong last patch they had to nerf him. Asking for a buff is lulz.

AbysmalSquall1 votes

I'm not saying he needs a straight up buff, some of his abilities are strong. His kit, to us, seems to not work together, does not have a lot going on, and a few parts are just outdated. Whereas Warwick, comparatively has a kit that works together and scales well.

legionnaire991 votes

So your asking on a vgu on shaco?

AbysmalSquall1 votes

His visuals do leave something to be desired but are acceptable, but like i said his kit does not work together and hardly fits his lore as a trickster. Each of his skills can be strong but do not all belong on the same person.

Rax Reformed1 votes

WW's new Q scales off of AD now?

AbysmalSquall1 votes

120% AD+100% AP plus 6/7/8/9/10% of your target's maximum health as magic damage (applies On Hit effects). Heal 30/40/50/60/70% of damage dealt.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html#ww

Rax Reformed2 votes

So item 3078 and item 3153 just became even more valuable on him. At least his build won't change much.

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