Actually it is the certain types of "defense" options that makes this game unfun

Zeppelins circus·Dec 31, 2018·3 votes·1,663 views

Irelia's form, Akali's shroud, Yasuo's wall to Malz's barrier. Is there any other option of defence that could replace these and tone them down?

23 Comments

MrHaZeYoDec 31, 20182 votes

Malz's barrier really isn't that bad, specially on a immoblie mage. Yas's wall is annoying but it really isn't breaking the game. Irelia's W while stupid, helps support her role of a Diver/Duelist while Akali's shroud helps her assassinate.

These things seem awful, but in context they aren't really overbearing, outside of maybe Akali's new shroud.

DuskDaUmbreonDec 31, 20182 votes

Tbh, Akali's shroud has always been annoying, because she can sit in it for a pseudo-Zhonya's and stall for time.

Not really OP. Just annoying at times.

bluegolisanoDec 31, 20182 votes

I take it you mean pre-rework Akali shroud? Because this new thing...

OMEGALUL.INC STEALTH BECAUSE WHY NOT

It had Akali one-tricks begging for nerfs.

However, they did nerf her W recently, and it's what was needed WHEN THE REWORK DROPPED IN DAY ZERO. Thank fucking christ that she's weaker now because of the changes done, I can actually outplay the bitch and now onetricks can actually play her too.

Both ends of the table are happy - a rare thing to find nowadays indeed.

DuskDaUmbreonDec 31, 20182 votes

Both have been the same.

New shroud is actually slightly better in that aspect, though, since if she just sits in it it lasts far less time.

MrHaZeYoDec 31, 20181 votes

To be fair, prior to her update it was her only "escape", most Assassins have ways out, Akali had to hope that minions were around.

The shroud remained because it was a identifying ability I imagine.

MankeyMadnessJan 1, 20191 votes

Riot said her Shroud was the core identity the rework was built around. Her entire non-R kit is built with her new shroud in mind.

MrHaZeYoJan 1, 20191 votes

Ya i figured that was the case, it's a move like no other in the game.

Zeppelins circusDec 31, 20181 votes

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Malz's barrier really isn't that bad, specially on a immoblie mage. Yas's wall is annoying but it really isn't breaking the game. Irelia's W while stupid, helps support her role of a Diver/Duelist while Akali's shroud helps her assassinate.

These things seem awful, but in context they aren't really overbearing, outside of maybe Akali's new shroud.

And then you have top tier malz mains armed with predator that tanks cc and ults you with speed that can outrun a leblanc.

MrHaZeYoDec 31, 20181 votes

Are those the Malz people your playing against?

Zeppelins circusDec 31, 20181 votes

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Are those the Malz people your playing against?

Well quite frankly I'm the Malz player who is trying out from advice, and I believe it is broken. Since you can farm from the river, then reach each lane in 5 seconds.

MrHaZeYoDec 31, 20182 votes

It's a shame it has a .9% use rate with a 49% Winrate. While Aery has a 73% pick rate with a 53% win rate. (This is also in Plat+)

Silly builds are fun, but sub optimal so Idk why you're complaining about it.

His barrier is so easy to deal with.

Zeppelins circusJan 1, 20191 votes

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It's a shame it has a .9% use rate with a 49% Winrate. While Aery has a 73% pick rate with a 53% win rate. (This is also in Plat+)

Silly builds are fun, but sub optimal so Idk why you're complaining about it.

His barrier is so easy to deal with.

Isn't that because people generally buy boots on Malz at 12 mins without thinking about even using the keystone? I also see people do not use future market in conjunction to this build, which is the best way to abuse predator. Which is one of the strategies the koreans use when making use of predator.

MrHaZeYoJan 1, 20191 votes

Thing is, we're not Koreans, we have a different meta then they do. We can try to abuse their strats but do to us having a different meta, it may not work the same. I'm sure Pred Malz can be strong, but Malz himself has been gutted, and when people play any champion, they generally us the strongest or ideal set ups for that champ.

Pred Malz isn't the ideal way to play him, it can work, but it isn't the ideal way to play him, and it shows.

Zeppelins circusJan 1, 20191 votes

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Thing is, we're not Koreans, we have a different meta then they do. We can try to abuse their strats but do to us having a different meta, it may not work the same. I'm sure Pred Malz can be strong, but Malz himself has been gutted, and when people play any champion, they generally us the strongest or ideal set ups for that champ.

Pred Malz isn't the ideal way to play him, it can work, but it isn't the ideal way to play him, and it shows.

From what I percieve. The "NA meta" is a mere husk of what the Koreans used 2 months ago because some youtubers and streamers screamed in their ears it is strong for 2 months they get on their feet and try it. It is hardly innovative, nor "ideal" since Riot started to adjust the game months before it even hits NA.

Don't get me wrong, but NA meta is hardly a meta. And nothing to be proud of or anything of value to defend since there is no such thing.

MrHaZeYoJan 1, 20191 votes

We're also not Koreans, we just some little guys casually playing a game lol

bluegolisanoDec 31, 20181 votes

Predator Malzahar.

Right, so what you're talking about is something Nightblue would due for giggles and shits on youtube, which usually ends up intfeeding at some point and fucking over the team?

And by the way, Malz passive is fairly balanced throughout the game, considering that auto-attacks proc it as well iirc. Learn to play around these mechanics like everyone else.

Zeppelins circusJan 1, 20191 votes

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Predator Malzahar.

Right, so what you're talking about is something Nightblue would due for giggles and shits on youtube, which usually ends up intfeeding at some point and fucking over the team?

And by the way, Malz passive is fairly balanced throughout the game, considering that auto-attacks proc it as well iirc. Learn to play around these mechanics like everyone else.

And have you tried it and thought why these players would trade damage for a massive mobility boost?

MankeyMadnessJan 1, 20191 votes

Irelias W should legit just be her old one where she has a flat heal on damage, or give her tenacity but not unstoppable.

I want her old kit back with her new R.

MrHaZeYoJan 1, 20191 votes

Ya but her W actually fits well to her style of play, diver.

Idk about old or new, which I'd like bc I never really play her lol.

ı Sona ıDec 31, 20181 votes

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What you're really saying is you're having a hard time playing against these characters, right?

Have you tried adjusting your strategy? Runes? Build? Using different characters?

Zeppelins circusDec 31, 20181 votes

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What you're really saying is you're having a hard time playing against these characters, right?

Have you tried adjusting your strategy? Runes? Build? Using different characters?

The hard part is these "defensives" can be used in a reactionary manner, or proactively in offense. It is not my choice they would use it, but their choice.

ı Sona ıDec 31, 20181 votes

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The hard part is these "defensives" can be used in a reactionary manner, or proactively in offense. It is not my choice they would use it, but their choice.

That they use it has not been an issue for me, as the game is to make them use it when they don't want to use it, then attack after it has been wasted. That's a hard technique to hone and takes a lot of experience to get down.