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Riot please keep the Alistar's headbutt as a skillshot.

Knalxz··39 votes·3,927 views

For those who are unaware on the PBE Ali got a strnage change that made his headbutt into a skillshot. It was admitted that it was an accident that was just a friendly joke coming out on MLK day or Robert E Lee day for those spooky ghost.

Here's a page from surrender at 20 saying not to get to attached to the change because of what I said above. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/01/red-post-collection-continued-meddler-q.html

Admittedly when I first saw the update that Alistar's W was a skillshot I was...spectacle, but after playing it i was left speechless of how fun it was. I can't really put it into words on how much fun I've been having with this "change" and i'd really like for it to stay in the game. Either with Alistar or coming back with a future champion release/rework. If not for Ali, how about Poopy, then give her and Sion NFL skins. Eh, you could squeeze Azir into that skins list too, for obvious reasons.

Moving on I can say I like the new level of mobility that comes with The Cow now and his ability to outplay enemies. I even lost spamming his taunt right before I do it.

Alistar "Mess with the bull and you get THE HORN!"

It also is moderately hard to land, mainly because of the lack of an indicator but it still has a small gap that would be welcomed to Ali.

Speaking of skill with Alistar, if you thought this would destroy his combat, its arguably better. You know when you'll get to your target than a quick jerk to the enemy allowing you to even do the combo early for most safety. You know, because sometimes you do something and instantly regret it.

Now the obvious problem is the unforeseen consequences of this chance. Ali jungle will return with loads more CC, Kaslita Ali combo turns into a horror film from Ed,Edd n' Eddy and well unforeseen consequences means things that we didn't see coming.

If Riot removes it on that note I understand, but that doesn't mean I like it :(

BTW did i mention how much I love the way VU Alistar looks?

http://www.newsoflegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Alistar_Splash_01.jpg

It really brings out the Minotaur feel.

45 Comments

VDc0zCqe0w2 votes

tbh, it would be a completely unnecessary buff, he is quite good as he is

he would need to get nerfed into other areas if you want to have an AOE knockback that can be used as an escape instead of a single target one

Rhlax2 votes

Its not about balance, its about adding depth and ceiling to Alistar.

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

The AOE part is difficult to land on champs most of the time, they have to be extremely close together.

VDc0zCqe0w1 votes

what i mean is that i don't find any particular reason to change something that already works and is not overbearing

Alistar is already played as support sometimes, and it works, he is not UP nor OP, so what's the point of changing him?

every support right now is balanced except Zyra wich well, sucks cos she's overnerfed...

Knalxz1 votes

It already nerfed him, it doesn't allow him to pass thought walls like he can now. It gave him more general mobility for less specif mobility.

TheKingDodo2 votes

aoe knockback? we can't have a tank be THAT powerful! Tristana Azir Gragas Janna Riven XinZhao Ziggs

*sarcasm

Meep Man1 votes

{quoted}

aoe knockback? we can't have a tank be THAT powerful! Tristana Azir Gragas Janna Riven XinZhao Ziggs

I would consider Gragas a Tank now personally, but yes. Apparently they can't be that powerful.

TheKingDodo1 votes

Gragas is a fiter! Anyone building full tank on him is a fool!

in case you make the argument of full AD/AP alistar, full damage alistar doesn't even come close to half damage gragas in terms of damage

Knalxz1 votes

If anything non carries shouldn't get an AOE knockback because it draws responsibility from other teammates and offers too much safety.

Wullf1 votes

i believe

Rebonack1 votes

So they basically made it into Vi's Q?

Knalxz3 votes

Imagine Vi's Q but when you make contact it pushes everything you hit along the way into each other and those things back further too. Basically his W is Kalista's Ultimate but instead of knocking poeple up it knocks them all back.

junglerboy162 votes

CertainlyT said that he was messing around with it on MLK day and it was not supposed to go out like that, or at all. I personally LOVE the idea of a skillshot dash, the only fix they would need to make it not broken is have it stop after hitting an enemy champion. Punting minions around is a TON of fun based on my experience with Sion, so letting Alistar punt minions away on his way to hitting a champion would be a really cool thematic change. It would also allow for more counter play and more opportunities to buff Alistar to compensate for the new counter play.

GaleWinUnleashed2 votes

It does stop on champions, though it is possible to hit more than 1 champ if they're standing VERY close together.

rinsujo2 votes

Ooohhhh my.... (/georgetakei) Ritoplz.

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

Far smaller aoe, as well.

Meep Man1 votes

{quoted}

So they basically made it into Vi's Q?

Vi's Q except much slower, much less range, and less damage but you didnt have to channel and much more CC focused.

junglerboy161 votes

The fake outs with a skillshot W would be UNREAL. Dash out and then pulverize "I'MA SMASH YOU—just kidding...".

lDontLiftIcarry1 votes

If they made it go over walls it wouldn't be a gutting to his W. but atm its just a gutting to his W. there are many times being able to go over the wall with WQ has gotten me a kill as alistar support.

removing that would be taking away every time thats possible.

sorry we all cant be mobility creeps with 10+ dashes a minute bullshit

DarkChosenOne1 votes

looks like riot got a lot of problems they got to fix about Alistar......

Check link - http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/mL0Anypq-free-unchained-alistar-skin-is-not-working-plz-help

junglerboy163 votes

The unchained Alistar skin unlock has NEVER worked. Nothing new at all. Just send a support ticket and ask for it politely and they get it to you overnight.

What Is Smite3 votes

use internet explorer, Chrome just blocks the authentification process

Vykz4 votes

{quoted}

The unchained Alistar skin unlock has NEVER worked. Nothing new at all. Just send a support ticket and ask for it politely and they get it to you overnight.

It works perfectly fine... LOL

junglerboy161 votes

you must be one of those lucky 1% of people who got it to actually work the way it says to.

DJ Siamak1 votes

It's an unnecessary buff that just makes him faceroll and loewrs his skillfloor, no.

GaleWinUnleashed2 votes

I believe you meant it "adds more interesting gameplay and decision-making to his kit."

FDru1 votes

Honestly, this would be pretty awesome but I'm pretty sure Alistar would be impossible to kill. Not to mention how easy it would be to W>Q... like, heabutt's pitiful range making it hard to get to where you want to go (due to targeting) is the only thing that makes W>Q hard to pull off. How are you supposed to balance it?

Kuroi861 votes

Apparently they are considering it's use. But it's currently experimental and no telling if/when it'll get through.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/01/120-pbe-update.html#more

[Unintended] Headbutt (W) is now a "skill shot" and can be aimed freely (think Vi Q) instead of needing to click target a unit. Pwyff has confirmed this is  as an EXPERIMENTAL CHANGE that UNINTENTIONALLY was pushed to the PBE.

    [Context: From Pwyff - 

        [1] "RE: Alistar's "Headbutt is a skillshot" on the PBE. 'Twas an accident with a random experiment. PBE'S FOR FUN RIGHT? 

        [2] "Talked to the designer - this was an issue with a random experiment that accidentally shipped and didn't get reverted before the PBE push. Is not intended and will not ship currently (actually it should be super broken, given how it's coded)."]

    [Context: From Certainly T - 

         [1] "Tested a version of Headbutt where it was a skillshot that could only be cast in a cone directionally toward an enemy unit for giggles since I had MLK day off. Accidentally submitted half of the change along with a bug fix to Kalista.
Krys Star1 votes

They said it was experimental so who knows. It may come back. Maybe.

Keewi 1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znxrE9a5sl4

RoyaiChaos1 votes

Sure, as long as he was nerfed someway as well.

Knalxz1 votes

The change actually nerfed him in a way. While you are more mobile, you can't use your W to jump over walls. They are both statistics.

RoyaiChaos1 votes

Wall jumping is too rare for it to be a nerf. Maybe if the range was shortened.

PickleBabah1 votes

This would be an amazing spell. I feel like this is what it should have been originally. The knockback could be reduced and turned into a half -knock-up-half-knockback, making an easier W-Q combo.

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

It's a very 'spectacle' change to me. I'm pretty 'spectacle' about it too. It's pretty 'spectacle' that they'd let such a 'spectacle' change through. Very 'spectacle' indeed.

skeptical*

http://www.troll.me/images/monocle-guy/monocle-guy.jpg

Knalxz1 votes

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2e/2e855a641313e79070e54678823a2ffe15dff17c155a6c98a0cc2c8d68f5a35f.jpg

Knight Devout1 votes

It's true that it would be cool, but giving a support with good tankyness a free out-of-jail-card means skewering his power budget a lot. Your adc screws up badly, you go there, Pulverize, then Headbutt to safety.

How bad would they nerf him after that? I know for that certain that if I had that chance on a support I would play him non-stop.

Knalxz1 votes

Its a nerf/buff within itself. Whie he gets more CC Alistar can't go over walls with it. No more ward escape to jungle monsters.

Knight Devout1 votes

well, for the lane buff you almost never use that utility... and even for most of regular games.

Knalxz1 votes

Lane buff?

Knight Devout1 votes

Jungler comes, Pulverize , get time for the adc to get out, Headbutt to safety. Yes, it is a buff.

Knalxz1 votes

No, I've never seen the term lane buff used before but its now like Ali couldn't already do that. I also never said it wasn't a buff to ali, I just said it nerfed his utility outside of the lane. He can no longer use a ward to get vision then hope over a wall from a jungle monster or if he's out of position in a teamfight he can't just hop over if an enemy is close to him.

It buffs him in lane but takes away from him outside of it.

YOU BEEN WARNED1 votes

Please no, knockbacks are extremely difficult as is. If it's still on PBE, go and test it on minions, see where they fly around when you headbutt them.

Alistar's reliability will go even lower (it's already very low which is why he constantly has a winrate below 50%.)

When I pick a champion, I'd like that champion to do it's job. Not a "chance" to be useful. Why would I pick him over guaranteed knockbacks like Janna & Thresh ?

HandheldBrandon1 votes

Really like this Idea its actually really really cool looking if only it was so buggy. This is the kind of stuff we need to see stuff like this is cool if only they would let us in on these kinda things we could have some really cool champs.

Fuaztin1 votes

Alistar's VU makes him look derpy. He just swings his head nonstop. But that's cause by the part of his kit that adds nothing to his gameplay and needs to be changed anyway.

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