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rememberbigsmoke··2 votes·825 views

Rune Prison RANGE: 615 ACTIVE: Ryze instantly deals magic damage and roots the** target** enemy for 1 second. FLUX: Rune Prison's root duration is doubled to 2 seconds.

Varus RANGE: 575

So there's an obvious problem there that doesn't need to be explained so I'm not going to, instead I'm going to focus my effort on the absolute bullshit that is Ryze's current essence flux. It's a POINT AND CLICK ability with as much range as caitlyn's autoattacks (without drawing minion aggro) that passes through minions and can be used to keep all of ryze's passives on someone ON A LOWER COOLDOWN THAN THE PASSIVES THEMSELVES.

Meanwhile, Kench is a melee range champion with a skillshot that can be blocked by minions that only stuns after he has hit someone three times, and has a LONGER COOLDOWN THAN ACQUIRED TASTE'S WIND-DOWN. Because apparently, being able to point and click snare someone for 2 seconds at caitlyn auto-attack range and run away at the speed of sound is more fun and interactive than LANDING A BLOCKABLE SKILLSHOT FOUR TIMES IN A ROW.

When Ryze gets his inevitable fifth rework, you guys need to realize something. Point and click ranged hard CC is unhealthy for the game. Unless you plan on putting it on a 60 second cooldown, straight up just remove it from the game. Stop trying to balance him around it. It's not going to work. Give him a third ability, preferably something avoidable, and make his CC attached to activating his runes if you're so insistent on him being able to activate something that can be called a prison. And please, please, make it so he actually has to **hit a champion ** to activate his nonsense.

13 Comments

Requiemsfire2 votes

Why's a mage having a spell with the range of an auto attack a problem?

rememberbigsmoke1 votes

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Why's a mage having a spell with the range of an auto attack a problem?

because it's a spell with hard CC attached to it that cannot be avoided. Long range is fine. Having litteraly no way to approach unless you have even longer range isn't.

Requiemsfire1 votes

Yeah but it's very telegraphed and he won't be able to land his Q for damage if he snares you behind minion lines.

rememberbigsmoke1 votes

it's not like that matters when his Q can spread damage through minions anyways, unless you're okay with being denied CS

Requiemsfire1 votes

Out of all the toplane range champions you could argue about, I would say Ryze has the most counterplay.

If he uses E to spread the mark to try and zone you from the wave, just remember he's using up his mana pool which is pretty small early on, and also that he is shoving the wave. If he marks you, you need to respect that and keep your distance, if you're behind a minion wave that isn't marked however and he uses his snare, you're relatively safe, in fact Ryze has opened up to you an opportunity because that snare is his only form of self peel.

In many instances of where I'm losing lane, I lose a lot of cs whether it's melee or ranged match up, I stick strictly to last hitting on creeps that I can land without being killed.

There's also a lot of itemization options you could use against him.

There are far worse range match ups that you can't punish because their kit gives them that much safety Vayne Gnar Jayce Graves

Elite4Runner1 votes

It has a cooldown and a mana cost. It also requires setup in order to get the most out of it.

Most good mid laners (or players) who get a Spell Flux mark on them, who know that you have Rune Prison up will walk away from you.

And considering that these are abilities almost automatically means they have greater range than auto attacks, since most abilities do in relative comparison.

rememberbigsmoke1 votes

The setup is a single click of an ability on a 2 second cooldown that has the same range as it, and sure, walking away is usually fine for situations like these, except usually in these kinds of situations you can avoid getting marked again within 2 seconds of returning to CS. And yes, most abilities have greater range than autoattacks, but none of them are targeted hard CCs unless they have a 60+ second cooldown.

And for clarification, I'm not talking about ryze as a midlaner, I'm talking about ryze as a toplaner. I don't mind ryze when I go midlane because I'm usually playing lux or victor or someone that can punish him. But when I'm playing a melee champion in top lane and I'm against a ryze it is literally the most frustrating experience I've ever had playing this game. Against a kennen, I can either dodge or go behind minions and be relatively safe, knowing that if he goes in I at least have the opportunity to return fire. I know that he's still going to have the advantage most likely, but at least there's something I can do about it. With Ryze, that ability doesn't exist.

Elite4Runner1 votes

item 3111 item 3139 item 2138 summoner 1

And the Swiftness Mastery

Then beat the shit out of him.

rememberbigsmoke1 votes

its pretty hard to justify taking cleanse over TP, and merc treads was the first item I bought. In hindsight I probably should have bought mercurial instead of SV first, but by that point he had such a significant gold lead that it didn't matter and the laning phase will usually be over by then anyways.

rememberbigsmoke1 votes

The argument I'm trying to make here isn't that Ryze is OP, it's that regardless of how strong he is if I have the misfortune of playing against him with a character that he outranges and I don't have some form of heavy, reliable sustain, it's going to be one of the most aggravating experiences I've ever had in my entire life watching him smack me around and then run away no matter what because there's litteraly nothing I can do to stop it.

Ahristocats1 votes

yeah let's forget that ryze can no longer reduce the cooldown of runic prison, which means that if he uses it in a fight and nothing is got out of this he can't use it anymore for a LONG TIME.

i'm a jhin main and when a syndra oneshot me with her point and click ulti, i just oneshot her with an AA.

so get better at playing instead of QQing about point and click spells when you're an adc with a point and click 800 damage ability that has no counterplay and potentially heals you for 10 or 20% of the damage if you buy lifesteal.

Elite4Runner1 votes

Well, you have two summoner spells.

You may not have liked what Requiemsfire said, but he is right about Ryze's mana consumption and tenancy to shove his lane. It actually becomes difficult for him to stack mana with a tear item when he has no minions to target. Believe it or not, this is a drawback of single target abilities. He has to have a target to cast those spells. With no targets he can not even reset his Q cooldown. This means he will very likely be running low on mana if he sticks around too much, unless he is building flat mana or mana regeneration items. Even still, if you pressure him he will have to use up his mana or back off.

Meanwhile, when he pushes up too much, your jungler should come gank him. Having only a single target stun means that he can not peel off of two targets simultaneously.

Look, I'll just put it this way. .. Does he counter you? Absolutely, pretty hard in fact! Can you and your team outplay him? Yes, you can.

Danjeng1 votes

Varus outranges Ryze's Rune Prison. Auto attack range is calculated differently than abilities. Don't believe me? Ryze's aa range is 550. Go into a custom game and compare his aa to Rune prison range. They're the same.

What do you propose? A skillshot root would just be Morgana's q. A delayed root, Swain already has.

Since you outrange Ryze by a lot (you have abilities too), just keep your distance. "keep your distance" is literally a quote from Ryze.

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