It's one thing to have insane burst and ranged poke, it's another thing to put safety in his kit as well. We can't get rid of his shadows, fine. But at least get rid of his ability to escape if he fucks up. It's like Katarina having two shunpo charges stored at all times. She has to risk it all when she goes in, Zed doesn't.
SwapShadows2 votesThat's a fine change but I guess to compensate he has to kill you instantly with no counterplay.
oh wait that's a terrible idea because Zed isn't meant to function like the other broken assassins in the game.
Faeble1 votesThe other assassins aren't broken. And honestly, if they made his burst instant, I'd be okay with that. As long as he is left in place to deal with the consequences of his actions.
SwapShadows2 votes[{quoted}](name=Katarina Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GW58dmVE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-03-03T00:22:49.977+0000)
The other assassins aren't broken. And honestly, if they made his burst instant, I'd be okay with that. As long as he is left in place to deal with the consequences of his actions.
maybe you would but competent players wouldnt.
No one likes instant uncounterable bullcrap which is why Zed is considered the most balanced assassin, either stay ignorant or accept the facts.
Omega T33mo1 votesSo his ult basically becomes talons teleport thing but does extra damage?
Cruk1 votesI mean, Kat has to risk everything when she goes in, but she also does AoE and can apply luden's/rylias, not to mention she has infinite shunpos if she keeps killing people or gets assists. Zed is single target blower upper power, he already has a million things that counter him.
Faeble1 votesSee, the AoE thing is out of topic. We're not talking about kill potential, we're talking about safety. True, Kat has the Aoe and can get resets. But the point of the thread is that no matter whether zed messes up or not, kills the target or not, he can leave at his leisure. No other champion can do that. Talon as well can go in but can't leave. He does have invisibility, true. But I'm not saying just to remove zed's R escape and have nothing done. If he gets a kill he can get a cd reset on his w to escape after a successful kill or something of the sort. But as it stands, I consider it too unfair to be so safe. The concept of "low risk - high reward" should not be a thing.
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See, the AoE thing is out of topic. We're not talking about kill potential, we're talking about safety. True, Kat has the Aoe and can get resets. But the point of the thread is that no matter whether zed messes up or not, kills the target or not, he can leave at his leisure. No other champion can do that. Talon as well can go in but can't leave. He does have invisibility, true. But I'm not saying just to remove zed's R escape and have nothing done. If he gets a kill he can get a cd reset on his w to escape after a successful kill or something of the sort. But as it stands, I consider it too unfair to be so safe. The concept of "low risk - high reward" should not be a thing.
Leblanc cant snap back, fizz cant go untargetable. There are tools available for certain champs. Also if Zed snaps back it means that when he ults, all you're doing is running away from him if you can't reach him. Competent players will damage him while sticking near his original ulting point to kill him if he snaps back. They will never ever make it as to where Zed cannot snap back unless they do an entire rework (which they probably won't because Zed is so unique.)
DrNova1 votesI always thought the r to return was unfair. He already has a skill that can do that.
He should have to use his skill for it, not get a free escape.
Ap Mid Burst1 votesMaybe if he gets the "lethal when ult pops" then he can go back
AlexThe1 votesI would rather him just be removed completely, but it if his ult that need to be changed for the most part. Because no matter how low his health is, as long as he has ult it doesn't matter what you do or how you defend yourself - you are almost guaranteed to die