zilean time bombs ap scaling ratio way to high

Dolterius·11/14/2014, 9:09:09 AM·7 votes·1,648 views

i mean seriously he can do well over 2 k dmg in under 3 sec by casting his q then w then q again this scaling should be reduced alot

12 Comments

Naelarstrasz11/14/2014, 5:47:43 PM2 votes

Well... Zilean is classed as a mage. So God forbid mages doing damage when they build damage?

The Storm Dragon11/14/2014, 9:21:16 AM2 votes

It's high because 1. He's an old champion and 2. It's his only damaging ability.

That doesn't make it 'right', but those are the reasons.

Rebonack11/14/2014, 4:22:24 PM1 votes

Fun Fact: champions all used to have insane AP ratios in this game, but Riot has slowly decreased individual power and shifted kit power over to item power. In particular on Mages.

See: Ahri, Teemo, ect.

DaSneakyGit11/14/2014, 4:48:24 PM1 votes

You know I've never understood why Riot didn't play with scaling AP ratios with ability levels.

Spells already scale on level IE Level 1 100 base damage, Level 2 150 base damage etc etc.

Why they never looked at increasing ratios based on ability level as well seemed like it would be logical, same with AD ratios.

IE Level 1 100 base damage .4 AP ratio, Level 2 150 Base damage .45 AP ratio etc etc.

Could open up for more number tweaking and playing with stats.

Grimspeake11/14/2014, 5:44:38 PM1 votes

zilean just had his passive raped, gtfo him already. the old dudes been through enough. they just killed a big part that was on the inside of him and now your here trying to rip out his kidneys in a bathtub full of ice? come on now man....

btw if u just hit him with 2 adc AA's u can kill him before he can even ult himself.

Marthian11/15/2014, 1:16:25 AM1 votes

Zilean just needs a rework.

Rebonack11/15/2014, 1:20:58 AM1 votes

Zilean does need a rework.

'Time Mage' is an awesome champion concept.

Zil's execution of that concept leaves a lot to be desired.

JJI74411/14/2014, 3:01:44 PM1 votes

A) Zilean needs to have ~750 AP to reach 2K damage in 2 bombs.

B) That is just "raw" damage, ignoring MR entirely.

C) Given the 5s delay on the second bomb, it gives ample time to apply shields/heals, or to QSS or hourglass the second bomb.

A RYZE with that much AP deals more damage just using Q+W+E. And this is ignoring his mana scaling entirely. 2K raw damage with 750 AP is actually really really low damage output.

Note: for the record, I do think Zil needs some changes so his kit to be less binary.