Planned Karthus nerfs

Hellsing69·2/13/2019, 10:51:01 AM·7 votes·19,400 views

Lay Waste (Q)

•Base Damage: 50/70/90/110/130 >>> 45/65/85/105/125

•Isolated Base Damage: 100/140/180/220/260 >>> 90/130/170/210/250

Requiem (R) •Base Damage: 250/400/550 >>> 200/350/500

Karthus Jungle is the clear offender and the reason for nerfs. So could we pls not target Karthus Mid and instead his jungling? Maybe get him out of the jungle completly. Riot loves to nerf a champ on all roles even though only 1 role really is a major pain in the ass.

Karthus was in the state he is for how long now? Only because people are like: Hey, Karthus jungle, yay, fuck the enemy team. Riot: Lets nerf Karthus on every role.

43 Comments

KFCeytron2/13/2019, 11:10:01 AM8 votes

Those aren't even encouraging a different playstyle, they're just straight-up nerfs. Starting with -10% base damage on Q and -20% base damage on ult is very harsh, too.

Sir Saltarin2/13/2019, 1:46:33 PM7 votes

I love those nerfs wtf

Reaper Soraka2/13/2019, 8:32:38 PM3 votes

Sorry to the Karthus Mains.

You're far too strong while dead... Sooo.... We're changing that. Want some survivability to compensate? Too bad, you can't be interrupted while you're dead so prob more nerfs.

Anime Fizz2/13/2019, 7:49:21 PM3 votes

He needs more nerfs than that, this is nothing for how broken he is rn.

Poske2/13/2019, 11:54:55 AM3 votes

Those nerfs wont stop Karthus from being meta calling it now

Starcraft243ver2/14/2019, 12:39:14 PM3 votes

Hem, Karthus is too strong in general actualy.

Bârd2/13/2019, 8:14:36 PM3 votes

Hell it's not even Karthus that's the problem.

It's Dark Harvest. That rune was a terrible, terrible idea.

Saianna2/13/2019, 10:33:44 PM2 votes

Q nerf feels insignificant. Kinda pointless overall, but not something player will really feel.

R nerf is middlefinger to karthus players though. If only Karthus was in the Yasuo, Zed or lucy group. He'd never get nerfed without fat compensation buffs with apology letter from Meddler within a month from said nerfs.

G0blinSlay3r2/13/2019, 2:32:58 PM2 votes

oh good now he can be worthless again for the next 5 years

iDarkWind2/13/2019, 6:24:43 PM2 votes

And why not? That kind of champion shouldn't be ever viable. He pushs the wave waits for lv6 and picks some free kills and in the late game he takes half ur HP bar or even more with his R. How is that crap even balanced ?

D2Vincent2/14/2019, 5:23:44 AM2 votes

Look yall, it's not even really a nerf. It's a HALF-REVERT to the buffs given to him last year. Originally, they gave him an extra 15% AP ratio to his ult (was 60%, now it's 75%), and +10 Damage to his Q. This isn't really anything to be honest.

I also don't understand the nerfs because tbh, it's probably not going to do what Riot wants them to do. Karthus is still going to scale, and do it rather well at that, but that's what he was designed to do. The other problem, is that Powerfarming is Karthus's main Shtick outside of his ult. If JG Karthus is the problem in particular, then they need to make it so that Karthus actually has to interact with opponents to be able to succeed in the game. Maybe if you made it so that Karthus only gets mana back off minions (from the E Passive), but get increased mana back from non-ultimate champion kills so that he's rewarded for more than Farming, he'd probably be better balanced that way.

This is from someone who plays pretty much absolutely nothing but Karthus. I'm not plat or diamond or anything, but it's something to consider.

demonwolf14/14/2019, 3:57:50 PM1 votes

being an avid karthus player i think if they made it to where you could actually win a head to head there would be no need for the nerfs why not just reset all chars. to 0 and let the people build from ground up and let that determine damage and skill

Bisaknosp2/14/2019, 11:47:26 AM1 votes

i think you all are forgetting how easily accessible cdr became and how r%%%%%edly good presence of mind is on him i barely remember the time when karthus ult had an actual cd for how powerful of an ability it is his ult (in my opinion) is up too often so either nerf the cooldown or the damage i'm fine with these changes

Galiö2/13/2019, 2:06:24 PM1 votes

Well most games dont make it to level 16, so the Max R nerf is double-negligable.

The Q nerfs kinda suck, but it's still higher than he was last time he was buffed... taken from a +10 damage to a +5. So it's not awful.

This also hurts jungle karthus more because he loses double the amount since most of his targets get isolated.

Overall a decent change for someone who is busted (in jungle) and strong in mid/bot/top

smol green boi2/14/2019, 8:07:09 PM1 votes

Karthus works in jungle because all other junglers are trash right now. Same thing when he was viable in the bot lane.

TyroneWatermelon2/14/2019, 8:43:06 PM1 votes

Karthus is a special case of a fine champion being completely broken because of 2 runes alone. What exactly can they do to fix this? they can either butcher karthus like he deserves, or outright disable dark harvest and presence of mind on him. Obviously they chose the first option, but knowing Riot, if these runes ever get redesigned he will never get compensation buffs

Nameless Drifter2/15/2019, 11:29:16 AM1 votes

The problem with karthus jungle is the fact Riot long ago, buffed item 1039 to allow mages to actually jungle. I have no idea why would they do, even back then, but Karthus jungle is the result of this.

These nerfs wont do much, even though the ult base stats did really needed a nerf, ages ago. If you really want karthus to be unplayable in the jungle, just nerf Hunters Talisman.

Saevum2/15/2019, 11:42:01 AM1 votes

The R nerf was out of place.

I can understand the Q nerf to slow him down while clearing the camps.

@Riot, you forgot that Karthus can also last hit kill monsters with E to get a mana refound. You could have hit that instead of R.

Z3Sleeper2/15/2019, 5:40:38 PM1 votes

Well then what do you suggest for a jungle nerf?

-x% damage to monsters? Cuz that's a nerf to Karthus' objective game mid as well.

rayzo2/15/2019, 10:50:11 PM1 votes

thank god

Dedenne2/13/2019, 7:29:42 PM1 votes

Heres the thing tho. He is good mid, but rlly good jungle. 2 birbs with 1 stone