What happened to League after season 5

Midlane Kayra·7/27/2018, 10:33:58 AM·141 votes·21,733 views

I am playing LoL for 8 years now, and i never felt this bad about the game before. (Maybe when they nerfed the shit out kassadin)

Last 3 years was so bad for LoL, and each season it only kept getting worse.

Every single rule of league (excluding chasing singed) has been removed.

What riot did in last 3 years; 1- "Oh Nidalee can one shot people with one Q, thats not right, one single mistake shouldn't cost you the game, we must change this and make nidalee much more of a hunter instead of Q spamming champion" "Haha DO YOU REMEMBER OLD NIDALEE? THIS IS ( Zoe ) HER NOW FEEL OLD YET? NOW SHE HAS 34875 YEARS OF CC AND STILL CAN ONE SHOT YOU. BECAUSE FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR GAMEPLAY." 2- "This game should have sytrategic depth and it must take a while before closing the game because you have to set a good strat" meanwhile last 3 years; "WE'RE SPEEDING THE GAME UP AND REMOVING THE TURRETS. THEY CANT EVEN ATTACK YOU ANYMORE HAHA (hi akali). And you can one shot them" 3- "AD Champions can take turrets easier, meanwhile AP champions can clear waves easier, make sure you acknowledge this before creating your team comp" "LETS MAKE MAGES, TANKS, ADS AND EVEN MINIONS ONE SHOT TURRETS AND GIVE EVERYONE WAVECLEAR HAHA. BECAUSE WHO THE FUCK IS TRYING TO BUILD A COMP HAHA." 4- "If you deal too much damage you either lose your wave clear or your mobility in return." "Welcome to champion spotlight, featuring zoe, a champion can clear waves, one shot people, use your spells against you, can run faster than hecarim, can even one shot without landing any spell, oh also we gave EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CHAMPION DASH. Because we want to see you jump around." 5- "We have champion desing rules to keep league healthy" "Hey guys we want to try new things so fuck the rules, oh if you try to do new things and fuck the rules we'll punish you dont forget this" 6-

"We're giving new and reworked champions execute, they can kill you with one button if you're below XXX HP. And they'll know when they can execute you, but you cant. (Hello Evelynn Chogath Urgot Pyke " 7- "Assassins can oneshot carries but this is mostly a suicide bombing because they'll use their mobility to engage and they'll be vulnerable, mages are for poking and waveclear from a distance. Tanks are for zoning and Tanking(?)." "Do you remember roles? Haha good for you, every champ can do every role now."

AND ALSO THIS FUCKER

Zoe

This season we lost rune system, that caused higher damages.

Maple nectar said "The damage in a game didnt even changed that much over the years." Yeah this is true, but games are shortened by 15 minutes in past 3 seasons.

119 Comments

Unstoppable Monk7/27/2018, 11:22:29 AM59 votes

with old nid you actually had to have skill

Zoe this is like old nid but you force your opponent to sit still to get hit without even needing aim

iTaLenTZ7/27/2018, 3:06:48 PM47 votes

After season 4 and during preseason 5 there was a transition from the old dev team to the new dev team. Morello left and Ghostcrawler took over. Meddler became head of game balance. New guys like Repertoir got added to the team. The funny thing is until midseason the new live design team was setting up new goals, working on champs, class updates and gamestate behind the scene so they didn't touch the game much for the first 4 months. Exactly the period when league was THE MOST FUN AND BALANCED EVER. Coincedence, I think not. Midseason their first shit got introduced like the juggernaut patch and the mage reworks. That is the point in time everything started going downhill.

ChargeItDownMid7/27/2018, 3:29:16 PM30 votes

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Yaskamasandwich7/27/2018, 12:45:43 PM30 votes

Personally for me the worst meta was the Argent Censer meta. At least both teams no longer have to be forced to pick a Marksmen in this mega-burst meta. The worst season in general has to be season 6 Dynamic Que era. Having said that yes there are still major problems in the game, and now to answer your question, or most of it hopefully.

A new team took over League. The old guard had no clue what to do with League, BUT they sure as hell knew what not to do. The new guard have no clue what to do, AND no clue what not to do with League. The old team made changes that were strategic and balanced focused. New team hates strategy and prefers flashy, and even stated they make changes for the sake of change. Change for the sake of change? No wonder League is slowly breaking apart. Change must have a purpose or else it will fail.

Removal of old masteries and runes to be replaced by new masteries, and then these new runes we have. Threw strategy and unique play styles out in favor of flashy play styles. Balance is destroyed, people pick the op runes instead of any runes that fit their playstyle or else they would lose. Towers are useless and kept receiving nerfs which forced snowball and short games. 1 mistake can cost the game which causes a lot of stress.

I believe it was stated that the Aatrox rework was not meant for Aatrox mains and was for everyone else. That was because the % of Aatrox mains was small. Which is one of the many reasons why it is the worst rework of all time. What's the point of maining a champion you love? You might as well just main the popular champions because they'll stay around forever and never have drastic changes both kit and lore wise.

Topping off Aatrox's failed rework statement is how can this be stated AFTER Warwick's rework? Warwick's rework not only kept his kit and lore, but vastly improved both. Not only were the mains happy but everyone else, with the exception of the haters, were happy with it. It was done well because someone was able to keep CertainlyT in line with the rework, kept control of his imagination in a balanced way. Why can't they do more of that? Warwick's rework is in direct competition with #1 rework with Sion's rework, which is Riot's "Golden Rework." That speaks volumes on the success of the rework.

Basically long story short, new team causing a lot of screw ups over the past 3 years that are catching up.

Shahamut7/27/2018, 2:00:02 PM27 votes

My problem with Zoe is her sleepy trouble bubble. It already makes you a sitting duck for her long range nuke... Why does it also have damage amp?

My problem with Talon: Assassin- High damage front loaded burst. Also has insane wave clear. Also has unmatched roam potential with a crazy number of routes he can take because of wall hops. What is Talon's trade off, exactly?

PowerSlave9937/27/2018, 5:23:37 PM12 votes

Riot was sold to China company > gg wp. this is what happened.

Astorine7/27/2018, 11:05:10 AM11 votes

Zoe, you mean 'ApTalon '?

PaladinNO7/27/2018, 3:26:20 PM9 votes

What happened to League after season 5

Tencent took over, they turned to LC$, it needed more excitement and the gameplay suffered for it.

Saianna7/27/2018, 6:31:06 PM8 votes

Maple nectar said "The damage in a game didnt even changed that much over the years." Yeah this is true,

I'd say otherwise. Riots first huge class rework they did (ADC) added a solid amount of AD to their itemization allowing them to get as much AD, if not more while also getting other stats with relative ease.

sutora37/27/2018, 4:52:10 PM8 votes

meddler

RankOneUganda7/28/2018, 12:38:28 AM8 votes

league died at season 5 ending. thats for sure. the game has sucked for 3 seasons I agree. its funny because thats when tencent bought riot games.

the new champios that were added. shutdown entire playstyles. way stronger than old champions. they became so strong they started shutting down champions that aren't even in the same lane

like if I pick darius all the enemy cares about is their top lane pick

if the enemy picks xayah am not going to play an assassin because of an ult that shuts down anything that dives

keystones added too much damage

towers nerfed since season 5.

the big problem now is that a lot of people that used to play in s5 quit. and now we have people that call season 6 or season 7 the golden age of league. which is a blatant lie. league right now isn't much different from s6 or s7. practically same shit. deathball baron taking. and push down lanes while snowballing

fucking boring. but meddler is a %%%% that doesn't answer any of these complaints. because he knows what hes doing. hired by tencent to trivialize the game . whether thats true or not. thats exactly what hes been doing. oversimplifying the macro of the game. making every game static as hell

Iręlía7/27/2018, 4:04:17 PM6 votes

DONT FORGET THESE TWO:

1 - "Perma-slow feels toxic and no one should be able to tackle you if you choose to fight him at the wrong time." (Skarner Perma slowed one or maybe two people)

"Lets release the most broken midlaner yet!" (AurelionSol Can perma slow an entire team)

2- "A champion should rely on their entire kit and shouldn't be "ult" heavy, thats why we reworked WW and many others."

"Lets not change the ONE thing that made skarner op, and lets balance his kit around his flash ult play and make every other part of him useless."

Modl Ryden l7/27/2018, 5:58:47 PM6 votes

Personally I never really liked the Juggernaut update. It tacked and I mean really tacked on extras onto kits that never needed it in the first place.

Second of all, it became the model of what their future gameplay design would be, tacking on extra shit on to kits and elements that didn't need to be touched in the first place. I think it's safe to say a lot of players here prefer somewhat static gameplay environment with buffs and nerfs over changes. And let's face it, this season has to be the most volatile season in league.

Dranor7/27/2018, 7:33:55 PM6 votes

It's very hard to see the game you and so many others have put their life into just change... and for the worst :c

Biff the Bard7/27/2018, 9:33:50 PM5 votes

8 years here as well. LoL sucks big times. RIOT does not care about it anymore. As long-time Veteran, you might have realized that, back then, the game was cool and enthusiastic. Since the real staff has left, it has been filled with incompetent idiots, a greedy stockholder behind it, and in general, I am pretty sure RIOT GAMES does not care about LoL anymore. It's just a bunch of idiots that somehow ended up in the video game industry, but in a country where Trump is becoming president, I also belive you can be a total piece of shit and still get to work for RIOT.

Wacky97/27/2018, 9:43:37 PM4 votes

Chogath has no idea whether or not he can execute you. His indicator is shit and needs to be changed especially because it is vital to his late game strength.

Śhunpo7/28/2018, 5:13:23 AM4 votes

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GigglesO7/27/2018, 4:06:27 PM3 votes

Maple nectar said "The damage in a game didnt even changed that much over the years." Yeah this is true, but games are shortened by 15 minutes in past 3 seasons.

This is actually not something I had thought about previously. I think that this is likely overlooked in their statistics. It has turned into an afk one shot the enemy from a constant slug fest of constant wet noodle fights. It’s not that we weren’t dealing damage back then it’s that it was mittigateable. One shoting always takes less damage, but if you do it more often it skyrockets.

Hügö7/27/2018, 5:37:01 PM3 votes

Don't know I had real fun in season 6 too, but 7 went downhill so fucking fast.

Velasan7/27/2018, 7:19:02 PM3 votes

Not to be a stickler for details but Cho always did that. It's what made Cho the champion that he is.

Only thing they changed was they put ratios for his health on his E and R (well specifically his E gains more power per stacks he has). It was to try to get people to build him full tank. Oh and that he no longer loses stacks when he dies which was a big QOL change.

Ataraxas7/27/2018, 9:17:09 PM3 votes

They messed up the longstanding runes & masteries system by giving less choices via the keystones change and made it worse with runes reforged update.

Summonah123697/28/2018, 12:32:31 AM3 votes

I just wish everything was balanced.

Serika Zero7/28/2018, 3:43:39 AM3 votes

what happened? riot started doing massive amount of reworks, and that pissed the playerbase and moved the game in a direction totally different than the one it started with.

Janakin7/27/2018, 4:17:08 PM3 votes

You made me sad ... Because you're right.

HIGHSQUEEKS7/28/2018, 3:30:41 PM2 votes

Playing since season 4, I truly love(d) the strategic gameplay for SR and even ARAM . I am so annoyed with the game now, as the core elements of what I enjoyed about the game are gradually being removed from the game.

-I enjoyed the ability to play the role of tank or protective support, without getting blown up in seconds.
-I enjoyed the design of a lot of the old champs(which have mostly been reworked). -Mobility champs were minimal back in season 4, are now the norm, this is not fun for me. -I enjoyed the customization of runes and masteries, now we have this crap. -ARAMS are not even fun anymore to me due to the high damage.

The rose colored glasses may be on to a certain extent, but this game was better before season 8. Many things in the past were tolerable because of the core elements in the game that I liked... which barely exist now.

Its all been said in other posts, but I am seriously at the point where the addiction to the game is waning. I am not going to insult RIOT , but they have pretty much lost my interest in playing anymore. I only play now because of boredom(going through the motions), not because of excitement or desire to improve.

ModCaliCoastReplay7/28/2018, 11:21:37 AM2 votes

Hahaha just wait until Akali leaves the Kinkou and takes off her arm wraps...think Yasuo is bad? Get ready for the most mobile champion in the game.

Seriously though...I feel like the Season Of Our Discontent (Season 8) is being caused by two main issues:

  1. A fetish for burst/proc damage that triggers on dashes, fueled by item 3147 item 3095 item 3078 and inspired by teh flashy LCS plays. The issue of Riot favoring what makes a flashy game for the pros over a balanced game for the masses has been discussed before, but I have to say I feel like it is true at this point. I know these items are broken because I abuse them, I watch others abuse them, you have to abuse them to win, and to me they seem to be a fundamental cause of the so-called "damage meta".
  2. The zone control/mobility creep in new champions and champion reworks. Compare Zoe Aatrox Swain Ornn or newAkali to champs like Elise Kayle Pantheon and it immediately becomes apparent that anyone released or reworked in the last year or two has more chains, combos, dashes, and generally active buttons that do things during fights than older champions, and if you do them all properly with the new ones, you generally win. Again, LCS flashiness helps fuel this. Many buttons give commentators lots of cheers and catcalls for those who hit or miss them, but it starts to make the base game feel like something other than it used to be.

The poster boy that throws this all into stark relief is Nunu.

It makes sense that he's the next remake, but I also want us all to take a moment and remember the simpler, cleaner, and in many ways more enjoyable game that the old version of the yeti represented.

Goodness, I remember when I could take him top (back in S2), and when I could jungle with him (what he's still supposed to do) without getting utterly dumpstered by early-game skirmishers fighting over scuttle crabs.

Remember that? Remember when? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Let's take a moment to remember that game, because it is about to be slashed into pieces by everything that new Akali represents.

Ceazaru7/28/2018, 2:41:35 AM2 votes

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I am playing LoL for 8 years now, and i never felt this bad about the game before. (Maybe when they nerfed the shit out kassadin)

Last 3 years was so bad for LoL, and each season it only kept getting worse.

Every single rule of league (excluding chasing singed) has been removed.

What riot did in last 3 years; 1- "Oh Nidalee can one shot people with one Q, thats not right, one single mistake shouldn't cost you the game, we must change this and make nidalee much more of a hunter instead of Q spamming champion" "Haha DO YOU REMEMBER OLD NIDALEE? THIS IS ( Zoe ) HER NOW FEEL OLD YET? NOW SHE HAS 34875 YEARS OF CC AND STILL CAN ONE SHOT YOU. BECAUSE FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR GAMEPLAY." 2- "This game should have sytrategic depth and it must take a while before closing the game because you have to set a good strat" meanwhile last 3 years; "WE'RE SPEEDING THE GAME UP AND REMOVING THE TURRETS. THEY CANT EVEN ATTACK YOU ANYMORE HAHA (hi akali). And you can one shot them" 3- "AD Champions can take turrets easier, meanwhile AP champions can clear waves easier, make sure you acknowledge this before creating your team comp" "LETS MAKE MAGES, TANKS, ADS AND EVEN MINIONS ONE SHOT TURRETS AND GIVE EVERYONE WAVECLEAR HAHA. BECAUSE WHO THE FUCK IS TRYING TO BUILD A COMP HAHA." 4- "If you deal too much damage you either lose your wave clear or your mobility in return." "Welcome to champion spotlight, featuring zoe, a champion can clear waves, one shot people, use your spells against you, can run faster than hecarim, can even one shot without landing any spell, oh also we gave EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CHAMPION DASH. Because we want to see you jump around." 5- "We have champion desing rules to keep league healthy" "Hey guys we want to try new things so fuck the rules, oh if you try to do new things and fuck the rules we'll punish you dont forget this" 6-

"We're giving new and reworked champions execute, they can kill you with one button if you're below XXX HP. And they'll know when they can execute you, but you cant. (Hello Evelynn Chogath Urgot Pyke " 7- "Assassins can oneshot carries but this is mostly a suicide bombing because they'll use their mobility to engage and they'll be vulnerable, mages are for poking and waveclear from a distance. Tanks are for zoning and Tanking(?)." "Do you remember roles? Haha good for you, every champ can do every role now."

AND ALSO THIS FUCKER

Zoe

This season we lost rune system, that caused higher damages.

Maple nectar said "The damage in a game didnt even changed that much over the years." Yeah this is true, but games are shortened by 15 minutes in past 3 seasons.

Ah season 5 my favorite season and my first season. How I would like to go back to that time.

Power Cosmic7/28/2018, 2:53:19 AM2 votes

You actually are right about #4. Champ power budgets are all out of whack

I7A6X2v27/28/2018, 10:55:47 PM1 votes

item 3111 with this item zoe does less dmg to u, her cc last less time but most player don't care about protection and they come whine here