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Hey Riot, if you're doing changes to Lux, why not give her E the Gragas Q treatment?

2nd Chance·4/6/2018, 10:25:52 AM·48 votes·5,800 views

I don't main Lux or even play her really, but I figured I'd try throwing out my 2 cents seeing there being work done on her kit on PBE right now and see what comes from it

It's a generally unhealthy ability in her kit ( as brought up by Repertoir here) , making it a difficult thing to balance, and which I believe a good part of this is caused by the change it got where it can be activated instantly as it lands back in season 5 if I recall correctly

Causing it to have the very high limitations/costs to use it, like the mana cost on it being higher than her ult's mana cost of 100, just at it's level 4 rank at a whopping 115 mana

So why not take advantage of that, change it, thereby allevitating some of those counter play lacking issues by making it like Gragas' Q and make the increased damage rewarded by landing her stun on someone?

Let me go in a bit of detail to explain -

By lowering it's initial starting damage by a fair amount (say... 30~40%) for instant casts, that would at least give it more counter-play and allow them to lower it's mana cost a bit or something due to that

Then for those who let it wait 2 seconds (which is how long her Q snare lasts, you can see where I'm going with this), can then allow it the same damage as it does currently on the live client (or maybe even slightly more), thereby rewarding people for landing their Q on someone and giving it more synergy with her kit

bonus addition explanation edit seeing conversations so far -

This would also solve her issue with her subpar waveclear, because a focused minion damage increase can also be added to this waiting damage increase mechanic

Again as a disclaimer - I'm not a Lux main or play her all too much really, but I'm just throwing this idea out to help in fixing up her kit as Riot is currently experimenting on PBE

So that's all I got to chip in and hope this helps in some sort of way

87 Comments

TempName548464/6/2018, 1:41:06 PM56 votes

am i the only person who gets annoyed by people calling every immobilizing effect a stun?

Dead flag blues4/6/2018, 10:32:48 AM21 votes

The thing is (as both M7 Gragas and Lux) Gragas has 2 CC allowing him to fully use his Q (E+R, and yes even if it looks "awesome", the flash Q+Flash+E+R+Q combo is really easy to do). Lux's only ability allowing her to use her E fully charged in this case would be her Q, and since she's supposed to poke, reducing the damage if not charged is a bad idea

Bisaknosp4/6/2018, 1:50:26 PM11 votes

? how about making it harder to land a champ that is supposed to burst squishies shouldnt have that kind of mechanic fail

DracosKasu4/6/2018, 1:32:54 PM10 votes

Gragas is way more tanky and mobile then Lux which allow him to fight around it, Lux in the other hand doesn't.

Also Grahas Q start at 8 sec colddown and Lux E at 13 sec.

Lux is design to pick and burst and that kind of change isnt good.

Ahri Baka4/6/2018, 10:28:19 AM8 votes

So you mean , you want all Lux players to MUST HIT Q ? one of the easiest abilities to dodge ?

C9 Squeeky 4/6/2018, 3:38:09 PM5 votes

I've suggested the Gragas treatment on her E but that is only a band-aid fix in an underlying problem. Too much of her power, aside from ult, is in her E alone. It's her reliable farming/poking tool because of the size of the aoe and has a slow. No basic ability should cost more than their ultimate IMO, with the exception of Corki KogMaw and the like, where the ulti isn't a powerful ability in and of itself with just 1 cast. Your suggestion is a start but not sure if it'll fix the root of the problem

Alevity Xiaku4/6/2018, 4:38:45 PM5 votes

This would make her clear garbage.

JoeMG4/6/2018, 4:03:17 PM4 votes

I would love to see this seeing how her E is usually guaranteed damage. They can then increase the damage from its current state at max duration to balance it out. That would even help with her waveclear issues.

She can still have reliable poke damage by hitting E and the procing her passive. It would also give her big burst potential when she lands her Q, without the need for her ult - which shouldn't be spamable like they are making it.

Velasan4/6/2018, 3:55:11 PM3 votes

Lux being able to ultimate more often, while difficult to deal with in some cases, doesn't make her OP. Why is the boards full of these posts over night? I've played her since the change and it's no worse than Xerath who can actually hit multiple people with his ult. While Lux does have the refund mechanic built in anyone can take Ulti hat and Presence together. Ziggs players must be having a field day right now.

Her kit at base level is just designed to do high damage poke. Nothing about it is broken right now. She wasn't (and probably still isn't) all that strong before this patch.

Give it a little bit to see where her win rate falls and if changes are even necessary.