Are you mad that somebody banned your 140 game 40% flat winrate ivern support?

Zeppelins circus·Oct 4, 2018·4 votes·1,726 views

And you say it isn't the first time this has happened? I guess you really like pissing people off in the internet that nobody even wants to play a childrens video game with you. And is giving you the middle finger to uninstall it. Also how the hell you got a duo with you who has the IQ lower than your pick that will actually play on this brainless plan?

(By the way I wasn't the one who banned it, but he took over midlane forcefully saying he will run it down. Nice troll account.)

thank god dodging is a thing.

33 Comments

Who Fed RuOct 4, 20187 votes

I mean, if somebody from my team bans my champ I would troll too.

Zeppelins circusOct 4, 20183 votes

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I mean, if somebody from my team bans my champ I would troll too.

Yeah, but if you are flat out trolling from the start with your initial pick, what is the big difference? At least I can report you now openly.

Who Fed RuOct 4, 20181 votes

I would rather have a Ivern in my team than a guy who takes Glacial Augment and item 3905 on Malz xd

Zeppelins circusOct 4, 20182 votes

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I would rather have a Ivern in my team than a guy who takes Glacial Augment and on Malz xd

And all of the pro players and high elo players take this rune and get over 60% winrate. Do you even play this patch?

Who Fed RuOct 4, 20182 votes

https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/malzahar

If at all, it's only a niece pick, and below high diamond there is literally no reason to copy it.

Zeppelins circusOct 4, 20181 votes

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https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/malzahar

If at all, it's only a niece pick, and below high diamond there is literally no reason to copy it.

Can you reason why there is "no reason to copy it?" There was a certain meta where malzahar with frost queen (twin shadows) dominated all picks across the game in every lane. Including support, adc , jungle. I see a very similar pattern where this meta is leading.

Who Fed RuOct 5, 20182 votes

Because you basically build around just getting picks and giving up a lot of damage for it.

Usually that is only good if you have a coordinated environment, as it's pretty hard to get any kills yourself with that setup. You're basically useful for sending out the ghosts, getting a mega slow on the first enemy it catches via glacial and then being able to catch up and (flash) Ult them. But, as I said, you need your team, or at least some damage dealer, to follow up on the pick as you have no damage.

So it might be good for that, but in SoloQ I would rather go Aery and poke the shit out of my enemies, build item 3285 for damage and be an actual APC, as you can rely on the individual mistakes of your enemies which are frequently happening in SoloQ.

Zeppelins circusOct 5, 20181 votes

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Because you basically build around just getting picks and giving up a lot of damage for it.

Usually that is only good if you have a coordinated environment, as it's pretty hard to get any kills yourself with that setup. You're basically useful for sending out the ghosts, getting a mega slow on the first enemy it catches via glacial and then being able to catch up and (flash) Ult them. But, as I said, you need your team, or at least some damage dealer, to follow up on the pick as you have no damage.

So it might be good for that, but in SoloQ I would rather go Aery and poke the shit out of my enemies, build for damage and be an actual APC, as you can rely on the individual mistakes of your enemies which are frequently happening in SoloQ.

I feel the users of former DFT currently have no particular choice in their runeset. Quite a lot used unsealed spellbook, for the majority of the season. Karthus for example even used predator just for the sake of amping his ult while the nunu/karthus duo strat became popular.

Aery, doesn't scale at all. And in a patch where tanks become impervious with a single adaptive helm, catching someone off guard is the easiest way to win rather than trying to best someone in lane.

DuskDaUmbreonOct 4, 20185 votes

40% is higher than 0%.

They're going to troll if you ban their intended pick, and I honestly can't say you don't deserve it. The other 3 don't deserve it, of course, but you, the guy who banned his pick? Tbh you do. [Note: I do not condone or endorse trolling in any way. Inters and trolls should still be punished. I'm just saying I really don't feel any sympathy for the guy who banned the pick.]

So he's going to int now. His potential winrate is now 0%. Hell, even if he wasn't going to troll, he's still pissed and your chances of winning definitely dropped even lower than before.

So, tell me, is it better to have them trying on a champion they only have a 40% chance of winning on, or have them feed or make even dumber decisions on a pick you approve of?

Zeppelins circusOct 4, 20181 votes

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40% is higher than 0%.

They're going to troll if you ban their intended pick, and I honestly can't say you don't deserve it. The other 3 don't deserve it, of course, but you, the guy who banned his pick? Tbh you do. [Note: I do not condone or endorse trolling in any way. Inters and trolls should still be punished. I'm just saying I really don't feel any sympathy for the guy who banned the pick.]

So he's going to int now. His potential winrate is now 0%. Hell, even if he wasn't going to troll, he's still pissed and your chances of winning definitely dropped even lower than before.

So, tell me, is it better to have them trying on a champion they only have a 40% chance of winning on, or have them feed or make even dumber decisions on a pick you approve of?

40% winrate is worse than a noob Ryze. I think that with 140 games is something that talks for itself.

Even release bard where everybody was trolling the heck had around 42%

DuskDaUmbreonOct 4, 20182 votes

40% is still higher than 0.

Zeppelins circusOct 4, 20181 votes

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40% is still higher than 0.

Yes, but I personally think, below 43% is the winrate of a person that is "in the game" but hardly doing anything impactful at all, or interacting with anything either ally or enemy.

zolikingOct 4, 20182 votes

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40% is still higher than 0.

Wow! You know your integers between 0 and 40, congrats! A 40% win rate means that it is far more likely that the pick will drag the entire team down into a loss than to help win. What kind of a shit standard is "higher than 0"? Any and all champs in any and all roles have a higher than 0% win rate.

DuskDaUmbreonOct 5, 20181 votes

0% is the winrate of someone who's inting.

My point is it's better to have someone actually trying to win even if they're doing poorly than it is for them to actually be inting.

zolikingOct 5, 20182 votes

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0% is the winrate of someone who's inting.

Blatantly wrong and wholely irrelevant at the same time. I've never seen a comment having both of these qualities at the same time. Congrats.

My point is it's better to have someone actually trying to win even if they're doing poorly than it is for them to actually be inting.

What an insight. I reevaluated my whole world view based on it. Now I'd rather have a bad meal than a poisoned one. And I'd rather have a cramp in my foot than having it broken.

Somebody picking Ivern instead of a support is the prime example of somebody who is just screwing around, fucking over their own team on purpose, not trying to win. There's a gray area between competently fighting for victory and straight up running into the enemy turret in a teammate's lane while sporting 6 tears each time you spawn. Pick trolling is unambiguously closer to the latter. I'd say if the former way of playing is 0 and the latter is 100, troll picking is around 80.

Zeppelins circusOct 5, 20181 votes

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Wow! You know your integers between 0 and 40, congrats! A 40% win rate means that it is far more likely that the pick will drag the entire team down into a loss than to help win. What kind of a shit standard is "higher than 0"? Any and all champs in any and all roles have a higher than 0% win rate.

Basically, since this game has another 4 people trying their best it is remarkably hard to get 0% winrate. The other factors will make around 30% I say, but 40% is just dicking around doing jack.

zolikingOct 5, 20181 votes

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Basically, since this game has another 4 people trying their best it is remarkably hard to get 0% winrate. The other factors will make around 30% I say, but 40% is just dicking around doing jack.

My point exactly.

Zeppelins circusOct 5, 20181 votes

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My point exactly.

This game has a gold cap upon feeding, and shutdown gold. Unless you have a champion that has horrible player to player interaction mechanics, Like Tahm kench, Ryze, Bard, IVERN it is actually hard to even get below 44% winrate.

zolikingOct 5, 20181 votes

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This game has a gold cap upon feeding, and shutdown gold. Unless you have a champion that has horrible player to player interaction mechanics, Like Tahm kench, Ryze, Bard, IVERN it is actually hard to even get below 44% winrate.

I don't know about the specifics of the 44% figure, but we've been in agreement since my first comment and this looks like you are trying to refute something I didn't say. I think there was a misunderstanding somewhere.

Zeppelins circusOct 5, 20181 votes

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I don't know about the specifics of the 44% figure, but we've been in agreement since my first comment and this looks like you are trying to refute something I didn't say. I think there was a misunderstanding somewhere.

Just making a remark here how hard it is to be below 44% winrate down in the depths of 43% which is release-bard fiasco level of 20 mins full time trolling.

I find i infuriating my post is downvoted because of "muh snowflake pick" mentality in a competitive ladder.

zolikingOct 5, 20181 votes

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Just making a remark here how hard it is to be below 44% winrate down in the depths of 43% which is release-bard fiasco level of 20 mins full time trolling.

I find i infuriating my post is downvoted because of "muh snowflake pick" mentality in a competitive ladder.

The thread is downvoted because pick trolls stick together and see anybody pointing out another pick troll as an attack on themselves. They are like a union of horribleness.

Zeppelins circusOct 5, 20181 votes

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The thread is downvoted because pick trolls stick together and see anybody pointing out another pick troll as an attack on themselves. They are like a union of horribleness.

The whole community just can't tell the damn difference between a trained person operating a functional off-meta pick, or a troll pick just for the giggles.

Hell most of them even won't dodge games. No wonder they can't win right? They can't see the flashing headlights of a speeding motorcycle with a raving lunatic yelling like a maniac mounted on it, driving right into their general direction.

Zeppelins circusOct 5, 20181 votes

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40% is higher than 0%.

They're going to troll if you ban their intended pick, and I honestly can't say you don't deserve it. The other 3 don't deserve it, of course, but you, the guy who banned his pick? Tbh you do. [Note: I do not condone or endorse trolling in any way. Inters and trolls should still be punished. I'm just saying I really don't feel any sympathy for the guy who banned the pick.]

So he's going to int now. His potential winrate is now 0%. Hell, even if he wasn't going to troll, he's still pissed and your chances of winning definitely dropped even lower than before.

So, tell me, is it better to have them trying on a champion they only have a 40% chance of winning on, or have them feed or make even dumber decisions on a pick you approve of?

That won't even happen because I will dodge and report them anyway. Quite frankly, Riot openly said it IS ok to ban teammates champions with intentions. And I have a reason here that the trolls can't prove it is malicious or not.

sneakydougOct 4, 20184 votes

What does this have to do with gameplay?

Zeppelins circusOct 4, 20182 votes

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What does this have to do with gameplay?

It means trollpicks with no literal plan just for the sake of dicking around has no place in ranked ladder.

OleandervineOct 4, 20181 votes

I played a game yesterday where someone checked another player's stats, and found out that they had a 7.7% win rate in Ranked. I would GLADLY have given them up in exchange for a 40% winrate Ivern support.

Zeppelins circusOct 5, 20181 votes

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I played a game yesterday where someone checked another player's stats, and found out that they had a 7.7% win rate in Ranked. I would GLADLY have given them up in exchange for a 40% winrate Ivern support.

Just dodge for hells sake. Why the hell

zolikingOct 4, 20181 votes

Banning a troll pick is fine in principle, but in my experience the troll is going to be childish enough to go for a worse troll pick or troll otherwise.

Inkling CommandoOct 5, 20181 votes

at least sup Ivern makes sense. JG Ivern is garbage.

4 Step CadenceOct 5, 20181 votes

How exactly is Ivern support a troll pick?

Zeppelins circusOct 5, 20181 votes

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How exactly is Ivern support a troll pick?

I'm lazy enough to not state the obvious. Can you label me the merits and how it is good to have on your team so I can cut it down like confetti?

*If you say something as clear as day like "he has CC" and not it's functionality in a support role you might as well quit writing it.

4 Step CadenceOct 5, 20181 votes

His Q is more than just a root. It allows you to dash towards the person that is rooted, which is a lot better than wasting mana/an ability trying to get to them otherwise, especially if you're melee. You can also dash over walls with it.

His W is obvious, provides extra cover for the team.

His E is a shield that damages and slows enemies when it explodes, which could be the difference between getting a kill and losing one. Is also useful when cast on tanks before/as they engage due to the damage and slow.

Daisy is pretty much Tibbers with a knock up. She can also tank/help destroy turrets, which is always a plus.

Also, doesn't his passive still work if he's not jungle? As in, allowing a teammate to pick up the buff after the jungler kills it. Being able to share the jungle buffs with your team seems pretty helpful to me, support or not.

Honestly, there are probably a lot of crazy things you can do with Ivern that I don't know about. I don't like to play him because most don't understand how he works, despite me explaining it several times. I also don't see him played often, as again, I don't think most people know how he works. There are better champions to take as support, but there are also worse ones. There are better Ivern players, but also worse ones. I could understand calling him a troll if he was first timing Ivern support with 0 experience with him, but at least he's actually played him before.

Point is, what are you judging him by? His own personal skills with the champion, or the champion in general?