Buffing Athene cause what? Cause Karma's nerf?!

HyeLin EXID··5 votes·464 views

"Karma is already pretty strong, and with the incoming changes to Athene’s Unholy Grail (see below), we only foresee her getting stronger. As a result, we’re pre-emptively taking some power out of Inspire’s ability to nullify so much damage."

Why is Riot nerfing only Karma?! This item is not even that good and is Karma the only one who is supposed to buy it? If u buy Athene, which get some buffs, but also nerfs, like 10% cd now and no more health regen, even the ability power buff is comming with nerf, 50 to 30 and to get some more ability power I have to build Eye of Watchers, which is fine for Karma, but it's with only 50% mana regen which is 10 ap bonus at all. Then there are not much good items with mana regen, maybe u need to add some more? So the other 2 options are Ardent Cencer, another 10 ap and Mikael, which is not even in my Karma build and we got 20 more ap and Redemption. At the end there is 50 more ap if we strictly follow the build, 10 less cd and 25% less health regen, which is not big deal, but I agree it's not that bad. But what about players who don't want to buy Athene at all, this is not my item, but if I don't buy it I lose half of the Karma shied which is most important of her playstyle. And what about mid lane Karma players? Let's just forget for them, because all they got are nerfs. She is not much played in mid, but now even less players will play her and why nerf of the base shield? 170, really riot? With 170 shield at max vs all this demage u buff almost every patch what I can block? I can't even block 1 master attack, he is literally deleting all the team even when we won all lanes, I can't protect my team now because of all these nerfs, like why? Was Karma that strong, was she most picked, was she with the biggest win rate? For me she is no longer worth to be played, thanks for ruining one more champ I love to play, just because, why not. At these days supports at all are one very underrated lane and now with keep nerfing supports there will be even less ppl who want to play support, just because you never think about us. And what is this new coin update? This is item for save pick supports and you make us to go at the center of the lane for our coins?! Wtf, this is so crazy and work only against us, we need to put ourselves in danger just to get 20 gold, which can cost our entire lane, I'm just speechless of all your work last month, very disappointing.

6 Comments

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

I thought it was because Athene's had been all but rendered obsolete by the more economically-reliable items all around it. Now, it actually affords power for things supports... you know, pretty much have to build to be viable early, but might not need as much late. Now, it has additional scaling for them-- a lot less power squandered out in terms of gold. And even then, enchanters scale like ass.

It's not even that great, it's not like Seraph's or something. It's a gentle nudge back to where Athene's used to be, the support caster cornerstone.

Furthermore, they've now made its passive exclusive from Mikael's, so you have to choose if you like those items and make the distinction on if you're orienting for offense or defense.

King of Demons1 votes

It's now more attractive to other heal/shield supports. The fact that Karma had to be nerfed in the same patch is just a coincidence.

Plus you are wrong. Athenes only loses 10% CDR, but it still has 50 AP because of the mana regen on it. It lost the CDR because Supports don't need an item that gives them 20% CDR. They would overcap at a full build and Riot tries really hard to prevent such cases because of how bad it feels.

You can't say they nerver think about support, support has been in the best spot since ever. Now we have lots of GOOD items that are affordable, STRONG gold generation items, interesting and VIABLE champions. It has never been better.

I could point out the rest in your flawed arguments but I really don't want to right now

I highly recommend you watch phreak's patch rundowns on youtube or some streamers also put them up. They can usually give you really good context or thoughts and some even do the numbers.

HyeLin EXID1 votes

You have probably never played support, so don't talk me like u know much for supports. I didn't said that there is not 50 ap, but u have to strict follow the build and that's not fun, every player has his own playstyle and buildstyle. It's not overcap if u do not buy cd boots, I think tanky boots are better pick all else u said, it's just nothing at all to talk about. Go play some supports and then talk.

Rainfall1 votes

riot does not touch sona or janna unless they reach 55% winrate.

xWaters1 votes

I'm convinced riot hates karma. They're always nerfing her lmao..

IxtaliKing3 votes

It's not even that they're just nerfing her, they've been consistently stripping her of core elements (fans, shield bomb, clothesline tether etc..) and ignoring her community. We're used to it at this point.

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