Shaco OP duskblade interaction ( He can proc it 2 times )

YoumuusYT··20 votes·18,494 views

Hey guys just wanted to share this neat shaco trick / interaction for those of you who don't know this can happen. No sure if it's intented but definitely makes item 3147 a strong option for shaco :) ~ item 3142

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Zarkkast11 votes

I don't understand why people are so surprised by this.

Shaco's clone has always applied on-hit effects.

coeurloyal2 votes

Sure it's always proced on-hits, but I think it's a fair expectation to have assumed that Duskblade can only be activated by Shaco himself and not the clone. Nowhere that I've seen has Duskblade been classified as an on-hit spell effect, and the clone doesn't benefit from any other form of item active--including Hydra or Maw, for example. Why would people have expected the clone to activate an item passive?

Either way, it seems like a bug to me.

L Psy Kongroo2 votes

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Sure it's always proced on-hits, but I think it's a fair expectation to have assumed that Duskblade can only be activated by Shaco himself and not the clone. Nowhere that I've seen has Duskblade been classified as an on-hit spell effect, and the clone doesn't benefit from any other form of item active--including Hydra or Maw, for example. Why would people have expected the clone to activate an item passive?

Either way, it seems like a bug to me.

While it doesn't proc the passive item effects, Shaco's clone DOES receive a shield from Maw/Hexdrinker if brought low enough by magic damage, and it also receives a shield from Sterak's if it takes enough burst. It also benefits from lifesteal, procs Shiv/RFC if it has enough stacks, and it also benefits from Devourer. So tbh I can see how/why it would proc Duskblade, though whether it SHOULD is another story.

coeurloyal1 votes

That's interesting. I mostly play Shaco AP, so I've never built either of those items on him. I suppose that's what I get for assuming Maw wouldn't work on the clone if Hydra splash didn't work on it.

Regardless, the should is definitely the only question that matters. It likely needs to go.

Gamma Sector1 votes

Not on hit spell effect? It literally says "your next basic attack will deal bonus damage". If that isn't an on hit effect idk what is

RiotMeddler16 votes

Yeah, so far we're fine with this interaction. It will be powerful in some circumstances, so are other items on the clone however that you're giving up in exchange for this. The circumstances that maximize the power from the second Duskblake proc also potentially cost you other damage (having the clone hold off on auto attacking until the target's low), so overall average power shouldn't be too nuts in that regard either. Definitely keeping an eye on it though (and other clone like interactions with Morde, LB and Yorick too).

l Helios l4 votes

Interesting. I guess vs. a full health target that doesn't mean too much, plus he's not exactly at his strongest by the time he gets the item anyway. It'll be interesting to say the least.

Plus the clone only really helps with escapes and some outplay. Damage from the clone isn't really the big goal imo. This could change that I suppose, but it's only been a few days so no telling.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Duskblade on AP Shaco? AA->explode->Zed?

Fun thought if nothing else.

SnugglePuggle944 votes

If you think its fine.....wow. You are ridiculous.

Nanuk Pihoqahiak9 votes

It's still Shaco. He has to actually work to stay relevant. Once he goes in, he's in unless nobody focuses him and he manages to Deceive away again. Shaco isn't magically better at teamfighting and will still be the same splitpushing monster he's always been.

Arakadia1 votes

1v1 tho hes pretty good.

Boulderox1 votes

GOOOD shaco players are a dime a million, the amount of people that can capitalize on this fact is so minute (my-newt = small) that there is no reason to remove it....

BA Tetsuo2 votes

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Yeah, so far we're fine with this interaction. It will be powerful in some circumstances, so are other items on the clone however that you're giving up in exchange for this. The circumstances that maximize the power from the second Duskblake proc also potentially cost you other damage (having the clone hold off on auto attacking until the target's low), so overall average power shouldn't be too nuts in that regard either. Definitely keeping an eye on it though (and other clone like interactions with Morde, LB and Yorick too).

In the same vein, when mord has a Jhin ghost, he never runs out of ammo nor gets the 4th hit. Is that intended?

Gamma Sector1 votes

Pretty sure if you get jhin ghost while jhin had fourth shot, very shot will be the critical shot

Forze5 votes

This is scary Shaco item 3147 item 3031 item 3074 item 1400 item 3087 item 3009

Zarkkast4 votes

That is not a good build on Shaco.

Unless you're playing against bots or something.

Nielarken2 votes

Im not a Shaco main so don't quote me on this but building crit on ad Shaco is bad because with his Q will always garen-T's a infinity edge ish critical hit so you will be losing damage on that critical hit because you have less ad or penetration on crit items.

RisenDarkKnight4 votes

It's actually the opposite. Since his q is a guaranteed crit, it works well with IE/Shiv. The +50% crit damage from IE makes his q hit like a truck, and the lightning from shiv does a ton of damage when modified by IE and his Q. And most High Elo shaco players build pretty much this exact build except they havent' adopted duskblade yet.

BladeSteel1 votes

I'm pretty sure his q doesn't get more crit damage from ie though. its stuck at the 220%. However shiv is a decent buy because the lightning will always crit for the 2x damage. Either way, whether or not his q is effected by ie, Maw or sterak's would be a better buy right now.

iamthegoatofwar1 votes

while I'm not certain I do believe that shaco's Q crit damage is increased by IE

BladeSteel1 votes

well even if it is maw or steraks is still a better buy than an ie. even deadmans plate was better (not sure about now after the changes but it was).

Choaru4 votes

His Q dmg is increased by I.E

BladeSteel1 votes

Still is a bad buy on shaco. Like i've said, Maw or steraks is better.

Choaru3 votes

If you are ahead they I.E completes his role as an assassin/ if you are Garen teed to win. (and wanting to troll a lil)

I don't disagree with you tho. I almost always buy Maw on Shaco :/ B then again you should be buying Maw on almost every AD in a game where they have a high burst Mage.

NichtHurz1 votes

IE isn't worth the gold it costs and actually lowers your early/mid burst compared to other items which also give Shaco a lot more utility. Shiv is fine, IE is bullshit.

Saqa1 votes

You dont need that much damage to cause an overkill on shaco, he does a shit ton already.

Choaru3 votes

Better overkill then not getting the kill at all ;P

Huang Po4 votes

This is way too strong. I am betting that rito didn't see this one coming. Nerf bat inc

YoumuusYT2 votes

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This is way too strong. I am betting that rito didn't see this one coming. Nerf bat inc

funny thing is the mark does full damage not the 75% the clone does

Youmuus2 votes

That item is op

g1bBGWY6641 votes

The item is cool on ad Hec

coeurloyal1 votes

o_O wut

DocShocker1 votes

Yorick Can do the same. Only I don't recommend it. It doesn't particularly fit well with his typical build paths without sacrificing other things. Or least, that's how it is for me since I go item 3042 item 3742 item 3071 item 3156 + boots + beef item depending on enemy comp.

It can still be a pretty silly thing to do though since your ghost, like with Shaco clone I'm assuming, can proc Duskblade even if it's on CD for yourself. Also I think Mordekaiser can do the same, but only if the enemy ghost has Duskblade.

Blitzedlegend1 votes

My topical build for Yorick is manamune into a triforce into deadmans into zzrot into random resistance item and cdr boots

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

I've said this before when the item was up on PBE, but no one believed me. Shaco's clone allows you to do on hit passive from other items. Rageblade works on his clones too.

Mäster Yí1 votes

inb4 item is disabled and nerfed [zombie-nunu-bummed]

Choaru1 votes

NUU WHY WOULD U POST THUS D: It was suppose to be a secret >_>

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