Aurelion sol OP on ARAM ( Q BIGGER THAN MAP )
So basically karthus ult that stuns ? 
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Zastie37 votesI was expecting Q to be BIGGER THAN MAP as I was told it was going to be. =z
Very Epic Guy4 votesI feel like if you build pretty much exclusively for movement speed, that should be alright lmao
Serika Zero3 votesall you need is a deadman's plate and maybe 
or 
I'm serious, you can just "walk" with your Q after enough MS. I don't play on PBE so I don't know how to do it the most optimal way
Skelenth3 votes with alactrity, and one other MS Item (Lichbane, Deadmens, etc) will do it. The Q itself gives an MS buff and E gives up to 50% if you walk a straight line. About 550~600 is enough to stay on par with Q the entire time
Swae72 votesHearthstone music... Nd that aurelion sol is fed he has like thirty kills and full build... what u expect tho....
theArtifacts1 votesThat was pretty awesome.
cmd011 votesIs that Hearthstone music at the end?
blackcat13001 votesKarthus is made sad by another immobile mage that deals more damage then him ad is more mobile.
Has a better E and I bet his W isn't useless.
TurquoiseYoshi1 votesKarthus has larger amounts of reliable damage, good zoning, the revive/undead passive, and his ult that is a targeted 5-man nuke. Aurelion Sol is very good in his own ways, but you can't just say that Karthus is worthless because he does different things.
Also, Karthus's W is still useful. It's still an huge instant slowing wall. Heck, it still slows for the same amount as pre-nerf, it just scales down after one second.
blackcat13001 votesI know what Karthus can do the wall it slow for 26% because faster the first second of them walking through the wall it is reduced to 26% even at max 70% is really only 47% slow.
Oh it provides vision for 5 seconds with a permanent 18 second cool-down for just 100 mana with no passive benefit.
I member when the wall had 35% mr and armor reduction and lasted for 7 seconds.
their walls and or cc are far better. then his and his gets nerffed.
Karthus has larger amounts of reliable damage.
RANGE: 875 / 200 COST: 20 / 26 / 32 / 38 / 44 MANA COOLDOWN: 1
Lay Waste ACTIVE: Karthus detonates the target area in the direction of the mouse cursor after a 0.5-second delay, dealing magic damage to all units within. This damage is doubled if the detonation hits only a single target. 「 MAGIC DAMAGE: 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 (+ 30% AP)
Yah Brand's abilities set his targets ablaze upon damaging them, dealing「 8% of their maximum health to champions 」as magic damage over 4 seconds, and empowering his abilities against them.
That is prity consistent and it takes 8 or more seconds to kill a champs with single target consistant damage it takes 
less then 2 seconds to 100-0 Karthus so perspectivly specking his consistant damage doesn't mean anything compared to an adc that has crits and life steel.
I wasn't saying Karthus was useless just his W and I was pointing out that people are going to compare Karthus to the new dragon that is going to be vary mobile and have insane burst damage.
Mirkhail1 voteshis ultimate is unfair but you can't scrap it, while he have his ultimate he won't be meta
blackcat13001 votesThe ultimate is far from unfair 37 champs counter it along with 3 items.
It has the longest cool-down in the game.
Has a 3 second interrupt with no refund on cool-down or mana and is cancled by knock-ups, stuns, silences, fears, channel interrupts and charms. and being killed. So you can't do anything for 3 seconds.
Yah, I'm so tired of the ult being the only argument people have really Lux ult is way more Over powered in comparison.
Mirkhail1 votesKarthus ultimate is a global reliable damage to all enemy champion, no escape, no counter play, only counter picking and counter itemization. Riot don't like global ultimate especially if you can't avoid then. Like most channeled ability it can be cancelled but Karthus can use it from a safe position, also with his passive he can always cast his ultimate. I like Karthus and i found him an interesting champion but his ultimate is not a fair ability with healthy counter play (a lot of champion kit and abilities have that problem) and riot know that.
Also i honestly count like 20 champion that counter his ultimate (untargetable , immunity, spell shield)
blackcat13001 votesnow it is actually 37 
revive after ding BS
Oh a wasted ult because the guy can't die.
And 
that have sheilds and heals to take you out of lethal range.
What is unfair he can't us it in the midle of a fight now can he no he has to leave then ult the go back to fighting.
It is as fear as Twisted fate Juming out of a bush stuning you then killing you when he had just ganked bot.
Lux's Ult is mutch were you can't even interup that and that is fair it deal more damage it can hit up to 5 champs and proc thunder lords.
Your saing that is unfair. What about when I hit 4 Q's in arow and then LB splits having my damage then wile i was at full health 100-0 me because her spell came of cool-down that fair.
Tell me what is the counter pato lux's ult what is the counter play to vegar's ult what is Nasus's counter play or 
were is their counter play explain to me were their counter play is so that you can say Karthus lack that witch they have.
On top of the fact Karthus is mana reliant unlike 
so explain of is it just the Globule is that all you can think about on a 5 man team with a jungler to say the ability is op so you can't work on the rest of the kit with out it being op? Pleas do explain how you can to this conclusion. With out bring up the R button as a scape-goat
Mirkhail1 votes-
i honestly can't see other champion that can avoid or negate karthus ultimate, most of their skill have cooldown too, kalista can only save her support, zed need a champion for the ultimate, tahm kench can only save an ally. But is not only a karthus problem, everyone need to face their ability and only soraka is the definitly karthus counter.
2)i don't understand what you mean, every channel ability ability can be interrupted and so they are difficult to cast in a fight, karthus can avoid to cast it in a fight thanks to the global range or he can die and cast if for free without problem.
3)
ultimate does only 50 more damage at level 1, same damage at level 2 and at level 3 karthus ultimate does 50 more damage than lux ultimate, lux ultimate have a very long range but it will never hit 5 champion, maybe two and the ultimate alone don't proc thunderlord.
ultimate have 650 range and it is single target , and if you said that a lot of champion counter karthus ultimate so thy counter veigar ultimate.
4)you think 
is the only one having problem with i don't like le blanc too but that don't mean karthus ULTIMATE is fair, an i said it again, his kit is fine but the ultimate luck meaningful counterplay and riot don't like that and i said in the post before karthus is not the only champion with that problem.
5) luck counterplay and in fact riot don't like him,
you can avoid every ability of , maybe his kit have too much but that's another problem,
what is the problem with ? you can avoid and see everything of him.
Riot don't like 
but you can certainly stop him from reaching you, not easy but possible.
6)Because karthus is the only mage that use mana? only 21 champion are manaless, 5 use health and 5 use energy. Also karthus have the third highest mana growth and third largest mana pool in the game also his e restore mana when he kill a unit, that's because he is supposed to farm with q
- like riot won't let become strong or meta because their ultimate is unfair, i never said they can't work on his kit but honestly i find is kit pretty interesting, he will never be a strong/good pick unless they change is ultimate
blackcat13001 votesI made a board about this but I can't find it because it is so old and their isn't a way that I know of to check the Boards that I made in the past.
Prity mutch any champ with a shield can prevent the tier 1 ult damage it isn't until you have 200+ ap or hit tier 2 to deal reliable damage that take for ever to come off cooldown if you fail to get a kill and then you also loos all the lane pressure you had wile it was up.
Now Karthus ult COST: 150 / 175 / 200 MANA COOLDOWN: 200 / 180 / 160 After channeling for 3 seconds, Karthus deals damage to all enemy champions. After channeling for 3 seconds, Karthus deals 250/400/550 (+60% Ability Power) magic damage to all enemy champions (regardless of distance).
Lux ult COST: 100 MANA COOLDOWN: 80 / 65 / 50 After gathering energy, Lux fires a beam of light that deals damage to all targets in the area. In addition, triggers Lux's passive ability and refreshes the Illumination debuff duration. Fires a dazzling ray of light dealing 300/400/500 (+75% Ability Power) magic damage to all enemies in a line. Final Spark ignites and refreshes the Illumination debuff. plus Illumination
Lux's offensive abilities mark all affected enemies with light energy for 6 seconds. Her basic attacks and Final Spark.png Final Spark consume the mark, dealing 18 - 154 (based on level) (+ 20% AP) magic damage. level 6= 58+ (20%AP)
SO at leve 6 lux ult deals 358 + (95% AP)
at level 6 Karthus ult deals 250 + (60% AP)
So lux ult deal 108 more damage with 35% more ap Scaling. Oh and can hit 5 champions at the same time. with out being able to be interrupted and if killed gets the cool-down refunded.
know bake to your first point yes they can only save mabe one champ who often are all 5 champs in range of an ult hardly ever even late game. Relisticaly your getting 1-2 kills for 200 seconds of nothing. Unless your channel get interrupted then you got nothing.
Were not even talking about cooldowns. Cooldown effects are worthless on Karthus what my 100 mana 18 second wall that is hardly used can be used more wel that is pointless Q still has a .5 second delay. E is unaffected and ult at max cool-down is not worth it.
point 2. Global range I'm under turret I ult lee sin dashes in and kicks me no ult. I'm in a team fight I start to channel oh silenced.
I died .... I died so they got a kill and now that I am dead I can ult but, if no one is low I would be using an ability that wont be up for 3 minuets.
piont 3 has hard cc and gets free ap scaling. What I was comparing with Vegar was his over all damage his Q, and E not to metion his ult witch is the strongest in the game.
Vegar get hard cc with greater range and low cooldown then Karthus and he gets better damage that allows him to burst down people when Karthus can't.
4 meaning full counter play over then don't get low no hp play one of 37 champs that can doge requiem. The fact that it can be cancelled with no reduction of cooldown or mana refund. The fact he has 1745 base health and can't use cooldown reduction. the 3 minuets of cool-down in-between ults to make plays. 
Plus you can build mr it doesn't have any passive pen so items with enough mr not only dose your ult become worthless but your Q's and E will do no damage and the only cc you have is a 4 second 26%---46% slow.
point # 5 ult that max it so a champ recovers all damage after X time and restore them to full if they die. Not much counter play to his ult. reaching me is not the issues it is the bounteous health and the mr he can build with the ad equivalent of Veagar's Q.
Point 6
No Karthus is mana issue was more of the removal of 
from the game it was better then 
it usually meant another Q or he is out of mana jumps oh wait Clarity. Karthus got no help everyone ells did not him. He used to have the second highest max man in the game but then they buff everyone but him. Mana less champs have don't have to worry about mana oh some one is low ult wait I don't have 200 mana. E's passive is the only thing that give Karthus sustain but their aren't any real good mana items for him. Unless you go tanky and then you have no damage. Since it takes so long to deal damage to an enamy that can out run you kite you or burst you down.
- is strong he is used in the meta and in LCS he is that split pusher tank crust your teamm needs hard cc Juggernaut of doom. If he is not a Juggernaut they should list him as one.
So to sum it up their is a lot of counter play to Karthus. Especially by just playing an assassin mid with a camping jungler.
The issue is Karthus lack of counter play vs any hard counters especially with his lack of cc.
Plus with the new cham that will be coming in that will have mobility Karthus is far from the only consistan damage mage.
I just remember the damage Karthus used to have and what he used to be able to do witch is why he was strong but now he is slow and it would be nice to see him get back some of what he lost an not get repeated nerfs. The mana and increase to all of his core items are nerfs and correct me if I am wrong 
was recently reduced in price with other 
items witch helps other non-Karthus mages.
Mirkhail1 votes- I'm pretty sure not all shield can block all of karthus ultimate, most shield have low base until maxed, also shield are meant to block all damaged, is not different for every champion in the game, so having a shield is not a counter. don't counter his ultimate, having shield or sustain don't mean they are a counter.
2) ultimate can proc her passive only if the passive is applied before so the bonus damage don't count to the total damage of the ultimate, q can deal double damage but it doesn't mean it always does.
3)You are telling me that a lee sin or another champion is always ready and near you and have the perfect time to always block your ultimate? that is not realistic.
4) is a burst mage , deal dps. Veigar hard cc depend on the stupidity of the enemy, veigar need to farm is "free ap", veigar q don't have a high ap ratio and can be dodge, veigar w won't it anyone if not stunned, veigar e is a powerfull ability but he need this ability to escape or to land his combo, it have a long cooldown (14 at level 5) and karthus build a 
while veigar build glass cannon.
Curiosity: deal totally more damage than veigar, the highest in the game indeed and have an higher winrate than veigar (his main also have a low win rate with him).
5)Karthus base health is not so bad, pretty low but he still build health so add 500 bonus health.
Every channel ability can be cancelled.
can be deactivated without ulti and probabily none will rush it as first item against karthus,
you don't rush it against karthus, his active isn't always up and a lot of mages get it very late while ad champion don't get it,
have a 300 second cooldown.
6) ultimate can be see and avoided (nobody force you too kill the target while the ultimate is active), also it restore a flat portion of health
What is the problem with nasus ultimate? Riot don't like his q infinite scaling and have a lot of problem too.
7) don't have a bad mana pool, is mana pool at 18 is the third highest, and his mana growth is the third highest too, a lot of other mages have less mana then him. You build a that item give him ap, mana, health, everything he want come from this item also is cost efficient without his passive,
8) is not used in the lcs for a lot of reason and riot would nerf him if he was good, he build glass cannon , lack cc and have mobility so he is definitely not a juggernaut or tank.
- Karthus ultimate luck counterplay not karthus itself, Counter picking is not counter play. I honestly don't see too similarity between karthus and the new champion but i need to try him before I would like too see Karthus more often and i would like some buff for him but he also don't a too bad win rate (still low) and there are other champion who are having harder time. I was explaining why riot don't want him to be strong , his ultimate also force people to avoid risky plays (same as soraka) because they can get killed by karthus and that will also probably make pro-plays very boring and a farm fest and for what i heard is already like that but i honestly don't watch then so is only what some guys say on Reddit or on the boards.
they reduced his cost from 2550 to 2400 in the 6.2, same with 
but most mages that build these items are not doing that great expect (getting nerfed next patch) and 
while the other mage with a good winrate build , an item core on karthus so that change didn't effect karthus.
blackcat13001 votes250 damage with mr and then the added sheild yah a heal or a shiled saves the 1 guy your trying to kill trust me I've seen it happen enough times to know they are always ready except the jungler ninja jungle kill do happen.
It is reallistic that when you want to ult the other team is going to want to stop you so you have to set your self up so you don't die or get your channel interupted and yes because you are ulting when some one is about to die either you are about to kill some one or another lane failed to get a kill and needs you to clean up.
If you do it in the middle of mid lane yah some one is going to try to stop your ult. You make it sound like stopping a Karthus ult is so hard to do when it requires the right set up and you can still get it channeled out of no were if not ready.
is the core of the build.
so is 
+
Vegar deals more damage with lower ap items and you could build 
on him to but he benefits from cooldown you start with cheaper items like and
same goes for most other mages. Plus Karthus build does not make him a tank like 
or
is a champ that can doge the Kathus ult just by having max rage and has a slow with high mobility. I didn't say he had hard cc I said you need hard cc to kill him or he is unstoppable in the late game (FYI spin to win).
You talk about karus building health items then say he has good health when he builds then and Veigar has more health then Karthus If vegar had took the same items as Karthus he would deal way more damage Veigar and many other mages deal more damage wile building lower ap items.
Karthus bad mana pool is at the start it didn't get a buff like all the other mages when got banned with the mana pots that was a nerf even if it was indirect.
who is going to use an ability to disable it. The adc the shield refreshes after 40 sec after of no damage.
only needs to save them form the ult once then they just keep high health so realistically the 50% mr is the big factor not just the revive.
I would love to see get balanced I would aslo like to see Karthus's W be less usless I miss the damage of the old wall the things you could do his dmage has never been the same and as a sustain damage mage I hate getting out damaged by adc's and burst mages it just I remember when I used to deal over a thousand damage with a single target Q wall combo and I just wish we could have that late game damage potential back. I mean Yah I'm dealing 900 damage then I look at my adc 
dealing 1400 damage with 100% crit. ;(
Is a little bit more of something to much to ask my favorite champ. Plus the wall nerf really why? Just because I have won like 3 games in a row with him doesn't mean anything. His kit is still lacking something.
It has been nice chatting with you and getting your views.
blackcat13001 votesKarthus is still King of A-ram
Çhåryzård1 votesI thought his star stopped after a while but i guess it keeps going as long as he's following it?
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