So it all started 2-3 weeks ago when I had a good win streak of like 9-10 wins. And after that, out of nowhere, this MASSIVE losing streak just comes upon me. What can I do? How can I start winning again? Like, in this period of time, I deranked from Gold 1 to Gold 4, and I keep falling. Please, help me. My op.gg: https://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=Blame%20The%20Vayne
Succubús GF41 votesRiot does this thing, if you climb too quickly they will put players who are less experienced than you to kind of force you to lose to keep an average win rate.
nGio21 votes[{quoted}](name=Afk Warding,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FEJTMEmH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-06-20T10:05:25.434+0000)
Riot does this thing, if you climb too quickly they will put players who are less experienced than you to kind of force you to lose to keep an average win rate.
Everyone downvotes these comments, but there has to be some amount of truth to it somewhere. I'll go 2-3 games in a row where every lane on my team wins decisively. More than decisively actually. Like Michael Jordan 1v1ing a paraplegic 4 year old. Then I'll go 2-3 in a row where it's the exact same thing, but my team is completely dominated at 1-10 kills 5 minutes in.
Every single game I'm thinking either "holy shit our adc makes the worst possible decisions and has no ability to react" or I'm thinking "holy shit the enemy adc makes the worst possible decisions and has no ability to react". I'm Gold-Plat between the 3 queues, so I'm not that high, but high enough that an ally or enemy player shouldn't be diving 3/4 health champions under towers at level 2 or have adc's trying to solo clear jungle camps at level 4.
Moooose22 votesconfirmation bias at its finest. It doesn't happen.
Succubús GF10 votesIt does happen. Riot wants you to stay at around a 50% win rate. A rioter even said it and then he got fired. So like you are wrong!?
Glory ln Death7 votesYeah, Riot wants you to stay around 50% winrate, since that's where your skill level is. But they don't achieve that by slapping bad players on your team when you're doing "too well". They do it by matching you with and against better players when you're consistently winning., and worse players when you're consistently losing.
If you experience frequent win/loss streaks, it's because you're inconsistent, and probably aren't pulling your weight on your teams. You're sitting at a boundary where, if you go any higher, you can't reliably get carried by your teammates anymore. You have a few good games where you do decently and your team carries you to victory, so the system boosts your MMR and starts matching you with and against more skilled players. The problem is, you don't play any better, so you become a weight for your team, leading to a string of losses. Then, the system starts lowering your MMR and matching you with and against worse players, until you get to the point where you can do decently and also get carried by teammates again, where the cycle starts anew.
Rather than complaining about how "the system is rigged and out to get you", focus on improving your own skill. Everyone has bad games - it doesn't mean they're some awful feeder that the system uses to knock people down to 50% winrate. They're just having a bad game. And I can guarantee, in most of those games, your teammates feel the same way about you.
Succubús GF6 votesSince when is 50% a skill level? Yes indeed they do, anecdotal experience I was ona 6 game winstreak and got a player who hasent played rank in 21 days and is in provisionals on my team while they had golds on their team. It happens. If you go on a win streak they'll pull the favors against you by making it harder for you to win. I find it so fking HILARIOUS that a rioter literally admitted that being a factor and instead, you ignore and make some statement about how I'm saying "the system is rigged and out to get you" You literally make it seem like I'm dead weight on my team. Are you having trouble noticing that I am not the op? Where am I complaining I'm literally stating facts?Yes I'm on a losing streak but its literally not because I'm dead weight. Out of my last 10~ games ive done my part and more with the exception of 1-2 games of me doing poorly
Glory ln Death4 votes"Anecdotal experience" is more commonly known as "confirmation bias". If we're going to use your experiences as evidence, what about mine? 65% winrate in ranked - where is my massive deluge of feeders to force me down to 50%? Oh, that's right. That's not how it works. Instead, I've been matched with stronger allies and enemies, and will continue to be until I hit around 50% and reach my actual skill level.
Unless you can actually source your Riot comment, that has no weight here.
Succubús GF2 votesIt got deleted and the rioter was fired. You have no weight here. The majority of the commenters clearly agree with me bye \You've also only played like 70~ ish games for that 64% so that means literally nothing. Itll even out
Glory ln Death4 votesExactly - like I said: the system attempts to match you up with players near your own skill level so that you will have close to a 50% winrate. Once I play enough games with players at my own level, my winrate will level out near 50%.
But it will not be because the system gets mad at me for winning so much and throws Bronze players who do nothing but feed onto my team, like you seem to believe. It will be because I have reached a point where I am playing with and against equally skilled players, so games are even and fair.
Again, if you experience frequent win streaks and loss streaks, there are 2 possibilities. 1) You have reached your skill peak, and it's at a point where gaining or losing even a little MMR results in drastically different skill levels in the players you are matched with. Or, 2) You are inconsistent in how well you play, and probably play while tilted.
And I wonder why a Rioter comment would be deleted and the Rioter fired. Maybe for spreading false information to the community? If that were actually how the system worked, why would they care? It doesn't matter how many people agree with the sentiment in the comments - this isn't some vote. At one point, the majority of Western civilization felt like slavery was fine, or that the Earth was flat, etc. They were wrong, just like you.
Succubús GF1 votesThe majority of western civilization did not think that slavery was fine. And did you just imply the earth isn't round????????????????
It doesn't matter how many people agree with the sentiment in the comments - this isn't some vote. At one point, the majority of Western civilization felt like slavery was fine, or that the Earth was round, etc. They were wrong, just like you.
Look dude, if you don't want to believe that's cool. But you can stop replying because its clear our statements wont change
Glory ln Death2 votesWhoops! I was in a rush making that post, and used round instead of flat. Edited the comment.
And, yes, for a long time, slavery was accepted as a normal practice in most civilizations. If you don't believe that, take a world history class.
As for the matchmaking discussion, there has never been a PvP online game where players didn't complain about the matchmaking system and blame it for many of their losses. No, matchmaking isn't perfect and could always be improved, but it isn't the reason people go on losing streaks and get "terrible teammates". The system matches you up based on your average performance - but, guess what? Humans aren't consistent. Your teammates are going to have bad games just like you do. I guarantee your teammates have looked at you in a good number of games and thought the same things about you.
Stop blaming your problems on something you have no control over and focus on what you can control. You're like a farmer who shakes his fist at the sky and blames God for a drought, instead of going out and digging a well or an irrigation channel.
TobeymAg1 votesNo, anecdotal experience is just anecdotal and COULD mean confirmation bias, but it doesn't automatically make it so. Also "I've been matched with stronger allies and enemies, and will continue to be until I hit around 50% and reach my actual skill level." You just said yourself where in fact the rigging is.. why do you have to be at 50% to be at your skill level? And since you're either put with or against players of lower/higher caliber, how isn't it that your teams could be the ones being put against harder teams?
I was in plat promos with a 60% win rate now I'm Gold 3 with a 48% win rate haha, am I now magically below the level I was playing at when I was Gold 1 playing with and beating Plat 3 players? How did I devolve so much, while retaining my average kda, cs, end-of-game ratings that I'm now losing to Gold 4 down to Silver 2? Oh must be that 2/11 I had in bot or the 0/4 in top, or maybe the 1/5 in jg. While I'm 3/1 in mid - although can't do much against the enemy bot lane 11/1.
Of the majority of games I've been playing as my win rate declined, as I constantly struggled to stay in G2, being demoted then promoted again from G3, my teams have been the lower mmr team in average, with several other players on losing streaks or negative win rates. I once had a game of my team average Silver 1 against a team average of Gold 2. How is that fair when I'm already on a losing spree?
This game is rigged, on 2 accounts I have now have an overall 20 game losing spree. 13 on one and 7 on this. Some of the games I played poorly cause I'm extremely tilted at this point, but most of the time it's afks, griefers and bad players. Matchmaking is a joke, this season is a joke. Ranked is a waste of fucking time. Lost my plat promos 3 times, guess I'm just not good enough huh, yea must be when all lanes feed.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesL M A O. Pls look at my last 10 ranked games. Especially my GP games and tell me that MY team couldnt carry ME. 94% kill participation, double dmg of any of these baboons and way ahead in farm. Because unlike those boosted apes i know how to play from behind and stop feeding and skirmishing and teamfighting for NO reason. There is no other champ as good at stalling games as GP but it simply doesn't matter when every single game you play is a visit at the berlin zoo. You can tell me a lot of things but definitely not i cant get carried by my teammates.
And there IS a pattern in this matchmaking and everyone who plays enough knows that. It's not only we board monkeys complaining about this when literal EX PROS like Kevin talk about these mysterious losing streaks where it simply doesn't matter how you play, who you play, where you play. YOU. CAN'T. WIN. Until you are nearly bck to where you started just to climb back all over again.
Succubús GF5 votesA rioter literally said it. People just don't want to believe it for whatever reason
ShaolinToilet2 votesWhere
DeathBot6668 votesPersonally, I think that people think a little to cynical at this. Riot isn't putting bad people on your team to bring you down. Their putting people on losing streaks on teams with better people in hopes of breaking that streak. (It just happens that some of these people are losing for a reason.)
Succubús GF4 votesI can see this being a reasonable explanation.
BabyNaix4 votesI believe this is true. Most of the time I go on short win and lose streaks like 2 wins followed by 2 losses or 4 wins followed by 4 losses. Most of these games have an average game length of about 30 minutes and some of the lanes win and some lose.
However, I often go on these long winning streaks and losing streaks where I win 8-16 games in a row or lose 8-16 games in a row. Usually at the beginning or middle of these streaks the games are complete stomps one or the other where the game end at 20 minutes or earlier. Usually near the end of the streaks I can feel the skill level of the teams get really close where some games drag on for 40-60 minutes.
Based on how good the enemy is compared to my team I can usually tell when a streak is about to start or about to end.
Cremepie2 votesThis is so true this year and last year, whatever changes they made to the MMR match making system has created such a toxic environment that I can barely stand. Can't play more than 3 ranked games a day its too obnoxious to deal with.
To be fair this early game meta doesn't help either.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesEXACTLY. It's not like it has always been like this. Well it kinda has a bit but not in this extreme. It all started with dynamic Q and has been carried over to "soloq" which btw is rigged anyways. Do you know that soloQ NEVER allowed more than one duo per team? Surprise surprise now two duos are allowed per team AND NOONE is talking about it. Not riot, not the community, simply noone. Riot didn't even mention this great new feature. And everyone here acts as if it's only bronze-gold players complaining when even ex pro players like Kevin talk about it. When i watch tobiasfate for example when he was high dia-master after a few wins he gets literally inting teams going 2/32 in 15 mins.. you can't tell me high dia-master players can't stop walking in and dieing over and over again for no reason?
Gelmous3 votescan't believe kids are downvoting you, what you said is right
Skraaat1 votesI agree.. I WENT ON A winstreak from g4 to g1 then back to g4
Enrovy1 votesanother thing with this, if you had a 50%+ winrate and they pair you with less experienced teammates or higher experienced enemies, if your winrate drops, you will lose more than actually win. Even 1-2% makes an insanely big difference in climbing speed, and sometimes can just make you not climb at all. The truth is, even having 51% winrate you still won't climb
Leonerdo1 votesIf you win games, you get matched with and against people of higher skill. Unless your skill is also going up, that means you get harder matches. That is how Matchmaking works. That's it. Cut it out with the "Rito forces you to lose half your games" propaganda. If you want to spread that kind of negative viewpoint, at least get your facts straight.
Summonah123691 votesNow that's just an asshole thing to do. WHY RIOT WHY!?
Taro Bun10 votesThere's nothing you can do but hope that each game there isn't that one ass player who brings the entire team down by tilting
TwitchInMyPants2 votes"Dw we have late game" "FUCK YOU JUNGLER YOU DIDNT CAME MY LANE IMA FEED NOW proceeds to walk down lane over and over after only 1 death"
Moooose25 votesYou're dying a lot. Even if you say you're not tilted, you are. Take a break.
nice table3 votesif you are actually trying to win maybe you should stop playing 50 different roles and 50 different champions.
Blame The Vayne1 votesWhy would this be the cause? I'm not playing too bad on new champs.
nice table4 votesi don't know mate maybe its the fact you have a 40% win ratio on most of these and horrible KDA's has something to do with it.
lets look at your riven for example, http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/performance/riven/eune/blame+the+vayne on average you are behind your lane opponent in kills / assists, minions killed and you die quite a bit more than they do, while your KDA might not look horrible you are getting out performed by your lane opponent on average.
your match history in it self doesn't look like you are playing horribly badly but on most of the shit you play you are being out performed by your lane opponent so it's probably not your teams fault you are losing games.
Cowseed1 votesNah... sometimes you just can't help people. I had a late game team once and i was jungling. Told everyone to play safe and wait for late game. Lo and behold the lanes fed their asses off. Other games I just completely stomp.... along with bot mid AND jungle. I mean like NO ONE lost the early game. Match making does suck at times.
And if your going to bring up my winrate I've narrowed my pool to a few champions now. I'm refering to these matches as they were when I played my mains.
nice table1 votesof course you aren't going to win every game but generally speaking when you stick to 1-2 champions (this doesn't mean for like 10-20 games it means like 50 games) you will climb quite fast out of the elo you were in playing random shit all the time.
Cowseed1 votesWell yah I agree with that. But I am saying that there may be some truth to unfair artificial winrates.....
But then again the people who could be feeding their asses could be the ones trying to metasheep their way up the ladder which goes back to what your saying.
nice table1 voteswell yeah but i just find it humorous when someone that plays 50 different champions and roles while feeding in most of their games is complaining about losing games
HR5OdeMImE3 votesThis is the biggest cause of frustration for me recently.
I went from diamond 2 to diamond 5 because of a huge lose streak of 3-17 in the last 20 games.
Every. single. one. of those 17 games werent even close. They all had either a feeder, a rager, someone that just left the game or a player that abnormally plays like he never saw his champion before.
Seriously made me consider quitting for a while.
IxtaliKing1 votesI never used to believe when people said these things until it happened to me, it's ridiculous lol
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesPretty much the same. Got to dia 3 promo with 60% winrate, losing streak back to d5 until i was close to drop out of dia. Climbed back to d4 and a few lp, another huge losing streak and MMR being total ass until i decided to intfeed my way to plat to fix my mmr. There is no way you climb in dia when winning 12 lp and losing 25.
Jeanne fan club3 votesnothing you can do about it, i've spent about 2500 games in platinum over my league career. It is extremely prevalent up here.
DW you will get a good win streak to push you back to g1 and probably even platinum. Its a matter of playing a lot, not neccisaraly just being good
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesI mean, i know what platinum is, i purposely intfeed my way back to plat from dia to fix my MMR but one of the big reasons player struggle so heavily in platinum is the skill difference. And it is really extreme. As a gold/low plat player it is really hard to break out of plat 5-3 and then it gets even harder if your mmr is only slightly better so you get all the low mmr d5 tilted trashcans. If your mmr is good enough to get "real" d5 and d4 players you will most likely climb out fast if you can keep up with them. D5/4 is filled with extremely good onetricks of a lot of champs tho their macro and decision making sucks ass so they don't get out but it's hard to win lane and get advantage over them. High plat/low dia is one of the hardest elo ranges to get out of imo. Way too many boosted monkeys (even more thanks to dynamicBoost) in D5, tilted trashcans, OTPs with no knowledge of how to play the game, a lot of actually good players, a lot of high elo smurfs who typically start at plat 2/1 with their smurfs etc. The next one would be high dia/master.
RainbowIcee3 votesstop playing rank. Chill a little bit, play some normals or aram until you get rid of all this negative energy inside you. When you start to average the winning and losing games in normals go back to rank feeling well rested.
Der Lindwurm2 votesWhenever my ranked winrate starts closing in on 60%, I start getting put on teams that are toxic and so ignorant of fundamentals that they absolutely stand no chance against the enemy team. This keeps happening until my winrate is back at around 50% and my MMR is stomped down to what it "should" be according to my rank. It happens far too consistently and predictably to be a coincidence every time.
Effluent2 votesI've played for the past two years. This is absolutely what happens whenever I happen to win more than 3 games in a row. I won 9 games in a row the other day, first time, and the next day found myself teamed with the most hateful, uncaring people. I truly think there is an algorithm to place you with people who have repeatedly been reported. Maybe the idea behind it is so you can help them win, but it doesn't work that way.
Keylight XD2 votesSame happened to me a while back. I was bursting through gold series in just a few weeks. I went from gold 5 to gold 2 and only one game away(in promo) from gold 1, then suddenly I was paired with afks, or extreme feeders, and I dropped right back to gold 5. I went on a literal 20 games loss streak and it wasn't explainable. I still played the same champs and I still got fed but it wouldn't matter... weird af if you ask me.
DaNinad2 votesyou should blame the vayne
Primal Fear2 votesI haven't lost more than 2 games in a row from Gold V to Gold I (78 LP). Here's some advice.
Take short breaks between games to recollect yourself Only play champions you feel comfortable playing. I just spammed Miss Fortune and LP came easily. Always try, don't go on autopilot Don't feed your laner, if anything goes wrong just try to farm Pick champions which are useful during the late game Focus on farming and objectives, so don't hunt for kills Help your team. If they do something stupid, just try to fix it yourself
If you do this every game, you won't get any losing streaks asnlong as you're atleast at the ELO where you belong
Loza1 votesYep, we all have these kinds good/bad streaks. In some of the games, it isn't our fault we lose.. but most of the time there's something we did/didn't do individually to change a losing game into a victory.
Looking at your op.gg, I suggest you take a step back and look at the replays of every game--whether it is a win or loss. There's many points in a game where we--individually--do not use our time/lead efficiently. Taking an educated guess here, but--after looking at your op.gg--there's several games where you popped off (in other words, you had a giant lead) and still did not win--I believe you might want to work on your understanding of using any lead effectively.
If you work on using your lead effectively and watching your game replays, you will be able to fix key issues and proceed to climb again.
Thevoidwalker3361 votesYep, we all have these kinds good/bad streaks. In some of the games, it isn't our fault we lose.. but most of the time there's something we did/didn't do individually to change a losing game into a victory.
Looking at your op.gg, I suggest you take a step back and look at the replays of every game--whether it is a win or loss. There's many points in a game where we--individually--do not use our time/lead efficiently. Taking an educated guess here, but--after looking at your op.gg--there's several games where you popped off (in other words, you had a giant lead) and still did not win--I believe you might want to work on your understanding of using any lead effectively.
If you work on using your lead effectively and watching your game replays, you will be able to fix key issues and proceed to climb again.
honestly sick of hearing that answer.........if you watch pro streamers they "pop" off alot too and some games you just cant freaking carry no matter how good you are.
Gasburger3 votesYes, you can't carry some games but you can carry most games. If you can't carry games at the elo you're at why do you think you deserve higher elo? People just don't realise it but you're just as good as the players you play with, generally.
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honestly sick of hearing that answer.........if you watch pro streamers they "pop" off alot too and some games you just cant freaking carry no matter how good you are.
Not sure what's wrong with that answer. There's games where you are the reason your team lost. There's games where you get a lead and don't use it properly/effectively There's games where your team feeds uncontrollably and there's no way to win.
We all have those kinds of games. You seem really salty and I would not be surprised if you play in low-elo. I'd assume Silver because you seem to be salty of the tip/suggestion I offered OP. If I am right and you are silver, then perhaps you need to start taking responsibility and stop blaming your team for everything.