@Riot: Elise's Spider E should ground-cast if cast outside her cast range.

ModEchoing··2 votes·586 views

Title.

Most other dash-esque spells will cast in the target direction. Elise's Spider E is pretty tricky though - if you're not careful when casting it, you plop down next to someone instead of hiding for two seconds. This usually kills you.

To avert this, and partly because of muscle memory from other champions, I try to cast it as far away as possible. Unfortunately, this makes Elise walk to the point on the ground where you targeted before using Rappel. This usually kills you.

Since this fits the proper definition of a quality-of-life change, could this be changed such that Elise will Rappel as if ground-cast if she casts it outside of her cast range?

7 Comments

Restless Slumber2 votes

This. This is one of the quality of life changes that I really think that she needs. Even with almost 200k points on her I will still do this and get myself killed. One of the best suggestions for her honestly. I would also want to see cinderhulk Elise be revitalized, but I don't think that will ever happen.

Abyssphere1 votes

They're never gonna change Elise with the aim of making her build more tanky, they've said that they think it's healthier for her to have to buy AP if she wants to make use of her early game leads. Elise is a lot easier to balance now than she was when she was built full tank (the difference in power between her solo queue and pro play performance is so much smaller now than it used to be) and my personal guess is that the majority of players would prefer to build her with some damage than build her full tank. I have ran into Elise players like yourself who preferred her old tank build but what I see from most players (including myself a lot of times) is actually building a fair bit more AP on her than is probably actually ideal. Elise has the kit of an assassin/diver and people generally want to actually make use of that rather than be the defensive peel tank that the Cocoon bot of old was.

I'd be interested to hear why you want full tank Elise back, because I've never really seen much reasoning for wanting that beyond (legitimately) "I miss being a stun bot", and I've always found that hard to understand because current Elise can still be a very defensive champion in the late game, she just has more uses beyond that now. It always feels like people just want their other abilities to be unsatisfying for no real reason, and that's especially strange to me because honestly I feel more effective at peeling for my backline as AP Elise a lot of the time (AP bruiser Elise is exceptional at killing tanks, so being able to stun AND melt the tanks threatening my carries feels very strong).

I really am genuinely very curious as to what is is you miss about tank Elise, the reason I'm being so negative about it is just because I have never understood why people would want it back. To me tank Elise fell off like a brick and only had one ability, while AP Elise stays relevant-ish late, can do what tank Elise did late while also having other roles and makes significantly better use of her overall kit. What is it I'm missing?

ModEchoing1 votes

You're kinda missing the point here, which is that Rappel should be able to be cast outside of its cast range and have the ground-cast effect.

Abyssphere1 votes

Oh I realise that, but I don't really know what to say on the more relevant topic at hand here. I can't really decide if I'd like them to make that change so I thought I shouldn't comment, but I was interested in the other topic brought up by the poster I quoted so I posted about that anyway.

ModEchoing1 votes

Bump for Riot awareness.

ModEchoing1 votes

Re-bump. Would like a Riot answer.

ModEchoing1 votes

Re-bump.

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