Now that AD has two anti-AP items... It is time for AP to have something anti-AD.

Colton147··3 votes·454 views

It is only fair. ;)

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Talinis5 votes

Zhonyas argument is actually quite terrible because zhonyas is actually horrible against AD since it does nothing but delay getting sustained damage to death. Meanwhile it's really good vs OTHER AP's since it can block vital parts of their cds such as fizz ult or syndra ult etc and aren't able to kill you and have to wait for cds. No difference if I zhonya and ADC just autos me to death immediately after... it only gives me the possibility that my cds come up in time to do something. Does nothing vs riven, fiora etc.

They need to make an item that actually DOES something against AD champions such as AP, MR pen, armor, and an active like, Create a shield against physical damage, scales with AP. Auto attacks deal half damage to shield. If worried about tank use can always put in something like requires 400 AP to activate or something else kinda like warmogs. Not hard to do

PopcornBunni3 votes

What "two" are you talking about?

item 3156 item 3139 item 3111 or item 3091 ?

Or maybe the AD items that grant health and other forms of surviving burst damage from mages?

item 3053 item 3022 item 3026 item 3046 item 3812

Be specific

Colton1471 votes

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What "two" are you talking about?

item 3156 item 3139 item 3111 or item 3091 ?

Or maybe the AD items that grant health and other forms of surviving burst damage from mages?

item 3053 item 3022 item 3026 item 3046 item 3812

Be specific

My mistake. XD

Hexdrinker.

I've read there was going to be another anti-AP item.

The Last Ballad1 votes

There is an anti-magic shield rune with the update, does that count?

Ralanr2 votes

I find it weird that the two damage categories need defensive items to counter each other. This seems like something that should be strictly in defense territory.

But idk.

Khristophoros1 votes

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I find it weird that the two damage categories need defensive items to counter each other. This seems like something that should be strictly in defense territory.

But idk.

Maybe if every champion had enough baseline DPS to actually use 1-2 item slots for pure defense that would make sense. The reality is that most damage dealers depend too much on scaling to do that.

Ralanr1 votes

I never understood that. They need those item slots for damage to compete with the other carry that's using those damage slots to compete with you?

Khristophoros1 votes

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I never understood that. They need those item slots for damage to compete with the other carry that's using those damage slots to compete with you?

You need damage for teamfights where defense won't do anything because of focus fire.

You need defense/sustain for laning to soften a bad matchup or just to be able to sustain so you don't lose your turret really fast.

So most champions actually need a mix with a lot of damage and just barely enough defense/sustain.

Also if you rush pure defense early you fuck over your ability to deal damage in teamfights.

Ralanr1 votes

That's why don't rush defense on an offensive powered champion.

Khristophoros1 votes

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That's why don't rush defense on an offensive powered champion.

Right so you need some hybrid items that help you lane without ruining your ability to teamfight.

Ralanr1 votes

Except that imo gives those champions more power than needed. That and imo it's not really fair that the damage classes can get hybrid items but the defense classes can't.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

I am confused. If you mean two items that grant MR and AD then it has been that way for a bit. Hexdrinker (Maw) and Mercurial Scimitar have been around for a bit. Did I miss a new item or something?

Hextech Kog Maw1 votes

wits end

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

That is only suited for a few adcs. Kog and maybe Corki. It does offer atk spd and mr but its passive is better suited to those who do magic damage. Like Teemo, Ekko, Diana and Kayle.

Red Wreckage1 votes

item 3157

Hextech Kog Maw1 votes

not only fair because ap champs can kill someone in matter of seconds with 2 / 1 ability and Ad takes time to kills

500 crits on 2.5 health on a average suishy vs 1200 Damage syndra ult to a 500 damage Q

Nut on my Butt1 votes

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not only fair because ap champs can kill someone in matter of seconds with 2 / 1 ability and Ad takes time to kills

500 crits on 2.5 health on a average suishy vs 1200 Damage syndra ult to a 500 damage Q

A single crit at 3-4 items outdmges most abilities tho

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