There is no point in playing a tank in the jung anymore less u are hoping u get to a 30min game.

Just the Lip·Dec 22, 2018·28 votes·12,435 views

Which doesn't happen anymore in the 20 minute broken damage game meta.

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D4M2X0Dec 23, 201822 votes

tanks are early game champs that get outclassed early and dont tank late hehe

Draconian565Dec 23, 20188 votes

Conq, new IE, lack of non-situational MR items + loss of base 13 MR from old runes/masteries. Why play a tank. Just play a bruiser that stacks health and you'll be just as tanky :^) If you got CC, even better.

And if people respond with, oh you got 2 MR stat shards. Great, I have to waste 2 slots just to get back what used to made it bearable to lane against AP while they can get double adaptive damage shards and a resist shard.

RagnaveilDec 24, 20182 votes

Bingo. Im looking at these ADC item changes, and I immediately locked my eyes on the LW change that doubles its % Armor pen. Excuse me, but i'd love to tank instead of having someone buy this 1300 G 20 AD item that will immediately weaken my already weakened state. That, and Void's still busted as hell.

If these changes go through (which I do hope they do because Crit ADs feel like shit, I can agree to that) and they dont touch up on tanks, they will be forced to address them like they did with mages, or have to do it around midseason. The fact tanks have almost the same base stats as bruisers already fucks them with their low damage. Aftershock should be replaced with Courage since Courage was well balanced. And either they make tank items do better against damage, or they add damage reduction on a select few. A tank's primary job is to soak damage, and they can't even do that with the amount of upfront ways to do massive amounts of damage that exist.

Last thing we need is tanks being turned into pseudo bruisers like what they are doing to Sej and Ornn.

Draconian565Dec 24, 20181 votes

Void needs to drop to 20-25% Magic Pen or Sorc Shoes/Oblivion Orb sharing the Magic Pen Unique Passive. It's not cool that I lose 75% of my MR and I'm forced to build MR because of it. Armor isn't like that since you can actually build Zhonyas or GA, and you have armor to spare since most champions have 100-150 base armor at Lv18. MR caps at 75 at Lv18 from what I've seen.

Aftershock needs to scale much harder in the late game. I didn't like the notion of buffing ur armor/mr by 70 early on and then it being useless later. I want it to scale with armor/MR so that shits like Pyke, Liss, and Fiddle don't just get 70 armor for free. Make Aftershock a tank exclusive rune.

RagnaveilDec 24, 20182 votes

I'd rather have aftershock removed to be able to buff tanks, and have Courage return since it was very well balanced around the users who would use it. Us tank players never asked for a rune like aftershock.

RebeccaUCuberDec 23, 20181 votes

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tanks are early game champs that get outclassed early and dont tank late hehe

tanks = a punching ball with hard CC

Z3SleeperDec 23, 20182 votes

What's a punching ball?

Edit: Nvm I never knew they were called that.

SaiannaDec 24, 20181 votes

Their full potential is in lategame when they can utilize their CC in teamfights, though.

Hayaishi2Dec 23, 201810 votes

There's no point in playing them anywhere. In top lane you are gonna get destroyed by conqueror bruisers and after laning phase you are gonna have to deal with the AD carry.

But wait, you also get shit on by mages in lane.

Tanks are dead in this game.

JinxalotDec 22, 20186 votes

There was a lot of Gragas and Sejuani in pro play last season. Let's see what happens this season. I think Nunu will be played.

TheSingularityDec 23, 201810 votes

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There was a lot of Gragas and Sejuani in pro play last season. Let's see what happens this season. I think Nunu will be played.

They were valued for the wrong things. Gragas for his over reliable CC (his silly E+flash interaction) and high base dmg on his splash spells. Sejuani was flat out overloaded (gained 2 hard CC spells and a shit load of dmg with rework). They weren't picked as tanks, they were picked as lock down or disruption based divers

Draconian565Dec 23, 20183 votes

Kinda agree. The tanky part was just a side-bonus for later game fights and was more reliable than someone like Elise who had the CC, but not enough tankiness.

TheSingularityDec 23, 20186 votes

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Kinda agree. The tanky part was just a side-bonus for later game fights and was more reliable than someone like Elise who had the CC, but not enough tankiness.

Pretty much. If they wanted a tank, why not nautilus? Far more reliable than gragas and better pick potential. Lock down? Malphite or amumu instead of sejuani. The difference between these 3 and those 2 esports tanks, is damage. Those 3 are better tanks than gragas could ever hope to be but fall short in the damage department

Draconian565Dec 23, 20183 votes

Exactly. And then True damage and lack of resistances came along and people were like, shit, we don't have a tank anymore so ADCs became much harder to play, coupled with the IE rework.

Sire HippingtonDec 23, 20181 votes

Actually, naut and amumu do just as much if not more damage that gragas and Seju, though less frontloaded. The main difference for proplay is moobillity and reliabillity. Gragas and Seju both have an unconditional dash that allows that do get over terain, which gives them alot savety to avoid enemie invades or path more agressively them selfs. If amumu gets cought out, he's dead meat most of the time as he does not have defesnive mobillity. For proplay, thats a massive difference, and one of the reason why xin only is used when he's rather broken. The other thing is reliabillity for early ganks. Amumu and Naut both rely on landing a skilshot that can be blocked by minions, gragas and Seju both can abuse the dash+flash mechanic for unavoidable CC. They also have a bit better time clearing, beeing faster than naut and more sustained than amumu.

NaalithDec 23, 201820 votes

Too bad pro League of Legends has nothing to do with real League of Legends.

Draconian565Dec 23, 20182 votes

Dunkey.

JinxalotDec 23, 20181 votes

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Too bad pro League of Legends has nothing to do with real League of Legends.

But we can aspire to be as good as them. They have the same tools to work with as we do. The only difference is skill level...and teammates with the same skills :)

BlåbæretDec 23, 20185 votes

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There was a lot of Gragas and Sejuani in pro play last season. Let's see what happens this season. I think Nunu will be played.

Solo Q isn't pro play.

ISeeDumbPeopleDec 23, 20186 votes

I was going to say... 30 min? How do you do this? Oh right, a lot of incompetence on both sides =p.

mack9112Dec 23, 20184 votes

Zac gragas amumu ramnus are pretty good I find.

Average game length is around 30min btw

RαyDec 23, 20186 votes

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ØrnnToGetTrolleÐDec 23, 20186 votes

Yep, he is a forum troll. Ignore everything he says

mack9112Dec 23, 20181 votes

Do you not enjoy facts...you wonder why no real discussion happens on this board when you say things like that ?

I'll just go away then

You can live in your warped world that every one who doesn't agree with you is incompetent

At least I know I am good at this game and would never personally attack someone on a forum

MrFawknSunshineDec 23, 20184 votes

right now in solo queue the only viable tank jungler with a decent win % and a somewhat average pick % is rammus.

LovelleDec 23, 20183 votes

Bruisers that build mostly tank items are struggling as well.

Trundle Volibear DrMundo

Wolfalisk318Dec 23, 20183 votes

I must admit that when I load into a game and we have a Tank Jungler and they have Graves etc., I am already pre-tilted because I know our Tank is just going to get smothered while the Assassin Jungler takes complete control of the map and game.