If a Teammate is AFK for 5 Minutes, The Rest of The Team Should be Allowed to Leave the Game.

We Are GRO0T·Apr 4, 2017·76 votes·4,785 views

I want to have a serious discussion about being held captive in a match. I play a lot of ARAM's and there tends to be a high frequency of games where one player on a team never leaves spawn. The normal /ff time in this game mode is 15 minutes, which is reasonable for a 5v5 stomp, and I have no issue with that time in a normal 5v5 circumstance. My issue lies with being stuck in a 4v5 for a minimum of 15 minutes when the win percentage for the 4 man team is probably around .05% or less.

I played Dota 2 as my first MOBA many years ago and made the switch to League around Season 5. The one area of Dota 2 that I believe is much better than League is the penalty / allowing players to leave system. If a player on your team was AFK/DC'd for 5 consecutive minutes, the game was the safe to leave and there was no penalty to anyone who left after that time was allowed to pass. The player who was AFK got the appropriate penalty based on the number of times they have done something "report" worthy, the winning team still got their W and the losing team still got the L, which is fine by me. Even better was if the 4 man team had the AFK for the first 5 minutes, they weren't assessed the loss at all!

I think that for the overall health of the game it was better for those "guaranteed stomps" to be completed as quickly as possible, so that not only the team that is at the disadvantage is allowed to leave and enjoy an even match, but also for the 5 man team to do the same thing. Personally I don't like either side of a 4v5 because I know it's not a fair fight, and thus not how the game is meant to be played.

I don't know what the time length should be to allow a team quit, but I strongly believe that it is something that should be taken into consideration for the overall health of League of Legends.

Please, let us discuss how we can implement these type changes so that players can be in more even, competitive, and fun matches.

25 Comments

KarunamonApr 5, 201718 votes

/signed

DOTA does this and it works well, and there's nothing special about LoL's mechanics that would make it not work here.

ZankrenApr 5, 20175 votes

You only get in trouble if you are reported. And for me, if one teammate is already AFK, I will report them (assuming it wasn't connection related) but no other member of my team if they decide not to play out the 4 v 5. And having decided to not play out 4 v 5s myself, I've never had any issues. I do agree that it should be built into the system though.

EpicanianApr 5, 20171 votes

You can get punished if you aren't reported. If you leave a certain number of games in a short period of time, you get a "Leaverbuster" queue that means you have to wait 5 min before getting into a game, for 5 games in a row before it goes away. If you continue leaving games, the time increases to 10 minutes, and then 20 minutes. I believe if you continue consistently leaving games after that you can get auto-banned.

EpikFeederApr 5, 20171 votes

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You only get in trouble if you are reported. And for me, if one teammate is already AFK, I will report them (assuming it wasn't connection related) but no other member of my team if they decide not to play out the 4 v 5. And having decided to not play out 4 v 5s myself, I've never had any issues. I do agree that it should be built into the system though.

I dont see why connection issue has anything to do with anything. If their connection is so bad it is a constant issue in games for them they should be banned either way.

ElikainApr 5, 20171 votes

You only get in trouble if you are reported.

For being AFK to the point of game kicking you out, you don't have to be reported to get into trouble. Riot's leaver buster system always works in the background so even if you don't report the AFK player, they will still get flagged for being AFK.

General Esdeath Apr 5, 20175 votes

something something this will be abused

something something ignore last season

MarshbouyApr 5, 20171 votes

I wonder what actually could be abused in this situation

DonovaineApr 5, 20174 votes

You know that in dota you still get a loss and the enemy team still gets a win if it happens after a certian grace period (sort of like the current remake system).

Makes it hard to abuse to get out of a loss since you still get one.

Supreme Senpai69Apr 5, 20174 votes

He said he didn't expect a loss prevention in the post he just doesn't want to be forced to play a 45 minute 4v5. He just wants to be allowed to leave the game without being reported/banned.

robotgameApr 6, 20171 votes

pro tip, read the post.

CalabokApr 5, 20173 votes

sweeeet there won't be any losers then. HAHA every game will be a leave game with one team just disconnecting with no penalties. NIIIIICE

K3ars3nApr 5, 20171 votes

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sweeeet there won't be any losers then. HAHA every game will be a leave game with one team just disconnecting with no penalties. NIIIIICE

So I don't really understand any downside to this? The person that disconnects gets a loss and is in the leavebuster que if it happens enough. As for the other 4 people getting one of the teammates to be the one to take the penalty, I mean seriously? You guys evidently don'y play much ARAM, you can't even get people to play as a team with the craptastic S system (leading everyone to play like death is permanent) much less get someone to drop out of a game and take a penalty FOR THE TEAM!

robotgameApr 6, 20171 votes

"i hate quality of life" - the post summoner 14

Corvo AttanoApr 5, 20172 votes

If people are losing they can easily abuse the system and get one person to leave and everyone else gets out free.

We Are GRO0TApr 5, 20172 votes

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If people are losing they can easily abuse the system and get one person to leave and everyone else gets out free.

The remedy to this situation is that if the character moves out of base at all in the first 2 minutes or so, the loss will occur for the whole team, but if the AFK happens you can still leave the game well before the 15 or 20 minutes. In those first 2 minutes people leave the base to play the game naturally, thus making it so people who actually played can't abuse the system by getting one person to AFK.

The only way for a no loss AFK is if the person in base doesn't move for the first 5 minutes of the game, aka DC's or things of that nature.

Corvo AttanoApr 5, 20172 votes

But we already have the remake feature ;_;, I see what you're getting at though.

HeribaApr 5, 20172 votes

ARAM doesnt have the remake feature

SlimegoonApr 6, 20172 votes

I've never played Dota outside of old Warcraft 3 Dota, but I would guess it has something to do with League forcing you to reconnect to games you left.

If Dota does the same thing and gets around it, it's cause Rito hates quality of life.

ArcixxApr 5, 20171 votes

I would agree if its 2 ppl thats trutly unwinnable if you arent smurfing.... item 3151

YouGoTownedXApr 5, 20171 votes

This is just a complaint about the ARAM mechanics right? in that case i personally don't think it matters that much considering its AR. Although having an afk/dc any map is annoying

ShiftyMcGeeApr 5, 20171 votes

/signed

I mean, if they already have the leaver-buster tracking running in the background, it's not like they need to create a monitoring system from scratch. This should really be a few minor tweaks of existing functionality (remake system in 5's), based on the data that they are already pulling from an existing system.

GrabulatorApr 6, 20171 votes

I just came by to say, please no. Having to remake already wastes enough of my time. I don't want something like this to waste even more. Not enough time as it is.

We Are GRO0TApr 6, 20172 votes

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I just came by to say, please no. Having to remake already wastes enough of my time. I don't want something like this to waste even more. Not enough time as it is.

This isn't really a remake, it is just an opportunity for people who are stuck in a game, where at no fault of their own they are at a huge disadvantage, have a chance to move on to the next match knowing they got unlucky. I think it would increase the amount of quality play time that you can get in, not waste it.

VizulixApr 6, 20171 votes

Yeah agreed this should be in ranked as well. Also the afk should be the only one counted for a loss and the losing team (all except the afk) will neither lose or win Lp. Also the winning will still get Lp