Why did Riot even make Cleanse as a Summoner Spell?

Blumpkin Nation··9 votes·1,798 views

I mean, Cleanse hasn't had many, if any, changes in the time it's been a part of League. I don't understand why this spell is even around when they decided to put QSS in the game (pre- can't cleanse WW or Zed ult).

This spell deserves to see play when an enemy comp has a lot of CC and you need to survive.

My thoughts on changing Cleanse:

Current Cleanse:

Removes all disables (excluding Suppression) and summoner spells debuffs affecting your champion and grants 65% crowd control reduction for 3 seconds.

Cooldown: 210 seconds (3.5 minutes)

Updated Cleanse:

Upon activation, this summoner spell will remove all disables (including Suppression) and summoner spell debuffs affecting your champion. For the next 3 seconds the summoned champion is granted 65% disable reduction and 50 armor and magic resist. edit: The bonus resist could be changed to a level scaling damage reduction. 10/15/20% at 1/6/11.

Cooldown: 180 seconds (3 minutes).

Edit: I understand why Riot removed the Supression from it, but what i don't get is that they did that before they removed it from QSS.

Cleanse is a SUMMONER spell. It deserves to be more powerful than an item you buy in-game. Before Heal become a solid pick for ADCs, there is literally nothing they take now.

Another version of Cleanse could be:

When activated, Cleanse will prevent all disables for 1.5 seconds. After 1.5 second has passed, all disables affecting this champion are reduced by 50% for 3 seconds.

Cooldown: 210-180 seconds.

11 Comments

Eedat3 votes

I think the MR and Armor would have to scale to level and I think 50 is a bit much, but not a bad idea

Jefftiffy1 votes

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I think the MR and Armor would have to scale to level and I think 50 is a bit much, but not a bad idea

Yeah 50 armor MR is a shit ton for lvl 1. It would almost be like having barrier that removes CC.

I honestly think barrier and cleanse should just get merged together, but that's just my opinion (suppressions being cleansed is kind of BS because then you just take cleanse and invalidate Warwick Malzahar Skarner etc.)

dunder kill1 votes

Well I mean Cleanse invalidates a lot of other ults, what makes those ones different?

Ashe Cassiopeia Lissandra Morgana Sejuani Sona Trundle off the top of my head

Blumpkin Nation1 votes

This is true- but it's Riot's job to implement other skills/passive in these champions kit to prevent the use of champions being invalidated.

Such as:

Skarner: if Skarner manages to proc his passive and use his ultimate, his suppression cannot be Cleansed. Warwick: New Passive: Every basic attack will restore a small amount of health. Stacks 3 times. When fully stacked, Warwick marks his target with (X Skill). If Warwick Q's or ults when this target has said mark, it deals bonus damage/cannot be Cleansed.

Malzahar: If Malzahar hits a champion with two spells( voidlings not included ) his ult cannot be Cleansed.

Just to name a few examples.

Eevee In A Jar2 votes

You bring up a great point... but this is Riot we're talking about. Instead of balancing Zed from being the safest assassin, very good laning phase out of all assassins, good kill potential, good split push, etc they remove QSS ability to clean Zed's ult. In trying to balance assassins from snowballing too hard, they removed feast or famine... by increasing base damage and lowering some scaling. Which created Tank Ekko and Tank Yi? IMO Cleanse is a great summoners... but it's not as good as the ones that's already being used. I don't understand why they don't just either decrease CD or give it another utility.

Hethalean1 votes

To be fair with Zed's ult normally useless as you can just QSS it away. A buncho f power had to be added to help counter it.

LadyRenly2 votes

a lower cd for starters would go a long way if you ask me

Edge of Daybreak2 votes

They removed the suppression removal from cleanse for a reason. There is 0 chance of them putting that back. The problem of cleanse is how much CC is knock ups now. what do you do with cleanse against say malphite? Cleanse the slow? Sure you could give a bunch of random stats to cleanse until its broken but then you most likely just created a new problem.

NineTailedMystic2 votes

So that way anyone not AD who wants to cleanse a CC can waste a summoner spell slot on it instead of an item slot for QSS that's useless full build.

Scripsi1 votes

I dig it

KoggyStyle1 votes

the one time i used it i got a ww quadra on aram, it aint bad.

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