Unfun fact: taking Dark Harvest on Ziggs in aram increases your chance of winning by 1,86%

my waifu Taliyah··11 votes·2,746 views

From overall 66,29% win rate to 67,52% win rate. Source

Dark Harvest is balanced, it's just that it has too high synergy with Ziggs' kit.

How to make aram better:

  • Revert 7.8 minion changes
  • disable Triumph and Dark Harvest from aram
  • Give melee champions a minion execute passive 3 charges , 30 sec cooldown on Guardian's Horn.

I will make daily aram posts until Riot fixes.

18 Comments

Soraka is SO HOT9 votes

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I will make daily aram posts until Riot fixes.

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my waifu Taliyah2 votes

Haha, I'll already have my post for tomorrow ready.

Soraka is SO HOT1 votes

I'm still watching...

my waifu Taliyah2 votes

https://imgur.com/EIagHxP

Sorry mate, don't want to be banned.

obsesse3 votes

How to properly word this:

Players who take Dark Harvest on Ziggs in ARAM have a higher w/r than players who take X.

Also, ARAM players suck. I find it pretty balanced that even the best ARAM players still hover around 50% w/r.

my waifu Taliyah3 votes

The 50% win rate is the results of the matchmaking. If you lose a lot, you get placed with easier opponents and vice versa.

It Hertz When IP4 votes

Don't forget the random champion aspect. If you're playing with a large-ish pool, you got a good chance of getting a champion you suck at. Randomness also means that team comps can be total ass, or you could accidentally get great synergy (Yasuo getting teamed with two knockup tanks, Swain getting teamed with Zyra/Morg/Lux).

Pierce The Veal7 votes

Uh. I play ARAM and I get matched with plat players. People who play a lot of ARAM get better and have quick reflexes, a lot of mechanical skill, and good skills at many champions in general. I mean, the skill may not translate over into the Rift that well because there’s the map to pay attention to there, but ARAM is not by any means a place where people who play it are automatically worse. At some point you start getting matched with and against tryhards.

Steel Blossom7 votes

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How to properly word this:

Players who take Dark Harvest on Ziggs in ARAM have a higher w/r than players who take X.

Also, ARAM players suck. I find it pretty balanced that even the best ARAM players still hover around 50% w/r.

Lol ARAM players, especially people who tend to prefer melee champions, tend to actually be pretty good mechanically, because they're constantly dodging shit from five enemies instead of one. HOWEVER, because there's no rotations & roams on ARAM, all of us who spend our League retirement on that map tend to be pretty much retarded on the Rift, lol.

rastarogue2 votes

I mean, I'm pretty good in my lane as long as no one comes in from the sides... or if I need to cs... or if I need to ward... or if I need to roam...

nvm, I'm pretty bad on the rift at this point [sg-janna]

ps. not super cool on the "r-word" usage, could be replaced with many things that don't have the same derogatory connotations (also is outdated and generally inaccurate)

Doozku1 votes

many things that don't have the same derogatory connotations

Maybe that's the point.

She Looked 192 votes

Sounds like a very balanced rune what with ziggs taking a big risk getting in auto range of other champions, Sounds like triumph would negate that "risk" healing him back to full afterwards another very balanced risk-taking rune.. I wonder why I see triumph on 7+ champions in my aram games.. [sg-lux-2]

Colton1472 votes

Ziggs is mechanically intensive and has a high skill ceiling.

He is currently trash and pretty much an auto-loss due to the AP changes.

Pika Fox1 votes

Thats.... not a dark harvest is OP issue, thats a some champions are clearly leagues better than others in aram issue...

my waifu Taliyah1 votes

I took account Ziggs overall win rate and compared him with the win rate with Dark Harvest. How Ziggs compares to other champions is not relevant for this discussion.

Pika Fox1 votes

Its still only a 2% increase. And even then you cant really tell if its because dark harvest is better, or he got more favorable matchups for those randoms. Ziggs is already strong in aram.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

This sounds more like a sample size issue than a balance issue.

Dark Harvest has a 2.54% pick rate on Ziggs relative to the number of games played on him. Because there are so few players playing with the rune, it's hard to gauge how strong Ziggs actually is with the mastery.

Suppose we put Glacial Augment into the Ziggs picture, and it has a hypothetical 94% winrate and a .1% playrate. You can't accurately determine if the rune is overpowered or is being used by Ziggs mains who know how to play him well and could win regardless of the rune they're using. It's likely that Dark Harvest is the same deal here.

my waifu Taliyah1 votes

2,54 % is 25 times more than 0,1%.

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