does kayle really need a rework more then some other champions?

hazerddex·Jan 19, 2019·4 votes·3,055 views

Disclaimer:please not i am merely a humble silver so if some champions play differently in diamond or plat i wouldn't know.

while right now is fine, but does need some help i can think of several champions that need more help then her.

I've not player her since many supports does what she does better.it feels like shes in a worse place then kayle is right now. not to mention i think shes the only yordile that has not gotten an visual update yet.

I have never seen a single player do good as twisted fate. they all usually go negative and drag the team down. (no offence.) its gotten to the point where i dread when ever some one on my team picks him.

due to his severe lake of mobility a lot of the more mobile champions that go bot lane basically eat him alive.

feel free to comment or answer my question onto why kayle need a rework more then the ones listed.

16 Comments

SirsirJan 19, 20193 votes

Tryndamere How hes gone this long without a rework is beyond me

OleandervineJan 19, 20191 votes

He got a rework. it was around the same time TF, Ashe, Yi, Annie, Garen, Katarina and a few others got their updates.

Dr DogJan 19, 20193 votes

none of the champions you've mentioned have anywhere near a kayle level simple, outdated and crusty kit

Deep Terror NamiJan 19, 20192 votes

Is she most in need of it? No I don't think so, but she's probably cutting the line so they can do Morg too and both their lore, possibly with an event for us to enjoy (and hopefully earn loot).

JarodDempseyJan 19, 20192 votes

lul is actually quite a strong pick with very large variety of enchanting cc who can still do damage if needed, tf can be a bit clunky for new players but hes actually quite good as well iwth high damage and range, kog is very late game but if he can survivie to it then he melts everyone. kog is probably the most hyper of the hyper carries (and actually synergizes super well with kayle support becuase during the duration of her ult he can easily melt 3 people in late game).

As nami said probably not but they couldve done worse suppose.

HügöJan 19, 20192 votes

You mean the flying stat stick doesn't need a rework? Hm ok.

OleandervineJan 19, 20192 votes

Yes, Kayle desperately needs an update. From a visual perspective, she's the size of a small child compared to every other champion in the game, and this is weird and a problem. From a gameplay perspective, her kit is probably the most disjointed, irritatingly gimmicky kit I've seen. The spells are generic except for E and R - and E is a chore to have to constantly maintain in order to keep her at her hypercarry status. To my understanding, there's not a single other champion in the game that's require to keep one of their abilities constantly pressed in order to exist in their alternate mode. It should be either a toggle, or something that progresses over the course of the game, but not a plain spell you have to make sure is always active. Overall, her kit is just boring to play, and while it has some degree of synergy, there's just no interesting mechanics in her kit that make her fun, or anything different from an ADC with lots of AS.

SpaghettiVaseJan 20, 20191 votes

{quoted} To my understanding, there's not a single other champion in the game that's require to keep one of their abilities constantly pressed in order to exist in their alternate mode.

KogMaw

OleandervineJan 20, 20191 votes

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Yes, but Kog'Maw only gets better with his W active, he's not 100% dependent on it to be functional. Kayle is pretty much hot garbage if her E isn't active, because otherwise, she's a massively squishy melee attacker with no way to properly survive from that range.

SpaghettiVaseJan 21, 20191 votes

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Yes, but Kog'Maw only gets better with his W active, he's not 100% dependent on it to be functional. Kayle is pretty much hot garbage if her E isn't active, because otherwise, she's a massively squishy melee attacker with no way to properly survive from that range.

I suppose but when it comes to team fights, where each champion shines. Having your W on cool down when the fight starts is absolutely horrible and you'll get pounced on before you can even react.

SyrileJan 19, 20191 votes

Kayle is one of the of the worst. Tryndamere really is a problem, as mentioned before. "Stands still and autoattacks you.. you run, he chases faster than you. You hide under turret. Goes unkillable. Walks off." Zero skill requirement to turret dive someone. He has a lot of hard counters but the whole idea is just silly. He has only ever bothered me when I was extremely new though other than like one game recently when I was trying to learn a new champion. :D Kayle is just a frustrating kit. Kayle plus Zilean plus Taric with a Master Yi, for example. May as well dodge or FF. That game is doomed.

TitanAnteusJan 19, 20191 votes

Kayle's a stat checky hybrid support auto-attacking mage. If Kayle's stats are higher than yours she wins the fight. If her stats are lowers she loses.

If Akali's stats are higher, she can still much up the fight.

Stat-checky champs like Aatrox were reworked because they don't feel like they have counterplay. It's the same with Tryndamere and Jax to a lesser extent. Kayle's kinda bad though because ALL of her damage is on her one ability, while the other champs have their damage spread out through their abilities.

SEKAIJan 19, 20191 votes

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I have never seen a single player do good as twisted fate. they all usually go negative and drag the team down. (no offence.) its gotten to the point where i dread when ever some one on my team picks him.

Before the Dark Harvest was changed, I was briefly a TF main who does well in most of my games. The catch is, use Dark Harvest and build TF as a teleporting 1-shot machine; even better, the old Dark Harvest also gave him the chain-killing power that he lacks. The problem has always been that people use TF exclusively as a poke and CC bot, hence why many players perform subpar with or lacking in gameplay presence with him.

I haven't tried TF since Dark Harvest rework so I'm not so sure if DH TF is still a thing now, though.

That said, TF's kit is simple but scalable with player skill, not to mention iconic in the right way and very well defined power and pitfall. His kit is still pretty solid and good after all these years, especially in comparison to the kind of ambiguous and vague design soup most newer champs are these days. At most he receives a mini-rework like Ezreal but otherwise I'd say TF is one of the better realised champs in the entire roster and doesn't really need change.

ChaddyFantomeJan 19, 20191 votes

Kayle has needed a rework for 4 season's now. Ofc she does lol.

SpaghettiVaseJan 19, 20191 votes

I'd say yes and no, maybe not the highest priority compared to the extremely binary like trynd but there are multiple reasons why I'd rather see her rework first. She's a toplane ranged carry that deals mixed damage, making her insanely difficult to itemize against in and out of lane. Obviously this puts her into bully status in the top lane and makes it difficult for people to get and stay on top of her especially with her slow, heal/speed boost, and ult. Visually she is one of the most awkward models in the game, she's TINY. Seriously it's off-putting how small she is compared to most characters. She and Morg will be reworked at the same time and I relish any changes to make these characters more intuitive.

SSmotzerJan 25, 20191 votes

It's not so much about who needs a gameplay or visual update. It's about who's story is most important to the current lore, and Kayle and Morgana's is pretty important.

Nunu is important to the Freljordian lore and the Void.

Irelia and Akali are important to the Ionian lore.

Aatrox is important to the Darkin lore.

Swain is important to the Noxian lore.

Galio is important to the Demacian lore.

Kayle and Morgana are going to be important in which ever lore they fit in. Whether it be Targonian, Celestial, or Darkin, they are going to be important, and especially important with the upcoming Demacia event.

So for champions like Twisted Fate or Kog'Maw to get an update, there is probably going to need to be some kind of lore importance to their update.