Rek'Sai is just better a version of Nocturne at this point.

TPA Aki Izayoi·Apr 10, 2015·53 votes·7,922 views

Finally actually played this champion for once.

At this point there is no reason why Nocturne should exist, she has a better clear, she can sense enemy units with her tremor sense. Her CC is a hard CC not a weak CC like Nocts. Her pre-6 ganks are really strong. She's easy to play doesn't require a lot of skill. Build path is wide open if you're really fed you can build all AD like Noct but her E does true damage with fully fury. Her tunnels makes her a monster in split push situations considering your ult gives on the way ping like real lol.

Nocturne is my favorite jungler from season 3 but he feels god awful compared to Rek'Sai.

TDLR; Rework Nocturne because Rek'Sai is just a better version.

53 Comments

ReikkenApr 10, 201521 votes

I didn't know Rek'Sai had a spell shield.

TPA Aki IzayoiApr 10, 20158 votes

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I didn't know Rek'Sai had a spell shield.

That's pretty much only thing that makes Nocturne a better "pick" but Rek'Sai early to mid game makes her the better pick because pre-6 ganks from Noct aren't as strong.

Jarrito232Apr 10, 201528 votes

Rek'sai doesn't obscure map vision. Her gap closer is nowhere as good as Nocturne's. Nocturne has a stronger poke than Rek'Sai. Rek'sai has a knockup vs a fear. Nocturne is better in terms of a 1v1 against champs because of its focused CC. Rek'Sai works better with a team once she starts scaling more. Its comparing apples to oranges really.

Old Man TeetoApr 11, 201512 votes

Nocturne has a stronger poke than Rek'Sai.

I was with you until this.

5000000000000000Apr 11, 20151 votes

I still agree, although that point was kinda strange. If we're talking about ganking, poke doesn't really matter. If we're talking about them as a whole (laner and a jungler), then I guess it can make sense.

Jarrito232Apr 11, 20154 votes

Nocturne has a meaningful poke when he is with the team. Rek'Sai's is only really good for revealing an enemy. It doesn't do more than that. Its nice for vision but grouped up its just a little bit of damage.

Toothierosprey3Apr 11, 20152 votes

I play Nocturne top and mid and it's actually pretty strong.

SwiftKitten88Apr 11, 20151 votes

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I play Nocturne top and mid and it's actually pretty strong.

oh god dont get me started.. i had to fact a nocturn mid when i went nidalee. not only does the spellshield block all the the spears damage and prevent it from procing hunted, it buffs his attack speed. i dont think i landed a single spear on him after he hit lvl 3. sure i threw spears that hit him but none of them get past that stupid shield.

Auz the RipperApr 11, 20152 votes

Nocturne is a much better laner these days than a jungler

UNCLES LUMBAGOJun 15, 20151 votes

I agree with most of this. But Nocturne is useless if he's behind, Rek'sai can just build full tank and still stay relevant because she has reliable CC and an escape

Jarrito232Jun 17, 20151 votes

This is true, but you have to remember that this is because Nocturne is an assassin, not a fighter or tank.

ThumpinApr 10, 20158 votes

Nitpick all you want, Noc is shit at this point and with Rek'sai there's literally no point at all in playing him.

XeroKimoApr 12, 20151 votes

I wouldn't say sht, tho with the meta changes it's hard to fit in, before he was just one of those melee adc type people, now people are building him tanky or of tank, either way his kit is a pain to play against sometimes since once he lands q on you it's hard to get away, and if the nocturne is good, they can time their spell shield while walking their way up to you, or they can just ult.... anyways, at the moment the best thing about nocturne is his ult, and it really is scary when they use it, all your vision from allies are cut, and you're wondering who is he going to gank, and in team fights, if you have another assassin in your team (or kat hue) and the enemy only has 1 or 2 people that can stop them from moving, noct ult is crazy just because your vision from your allies is down you don't know who the assassin(kat) is going to jump on until they actually jump on them, and is harder to stop especially if your cc range is small like maokai's soooo yea

VisigothApr 10, 201511 votes

I used to main Nocturne and him and Rek'Sai are very different. Nocturne has a ton more sticking power with his Q and E, plus item 3153 item 3142 and item 3078 , which he should have at least one of the 3 late game. Nocturne also has a lot more dueling potential because his fear and bonus damage on Q. Plus, Nocturne has a spell shield. And his ultimate require enemy of an enemy champion in its range, rather than a tunnel. Those are HUGELY different concepts. One is for assassinations or initiates, the other is for flanking, escaping, and getting to objectives.

Honestly if I had to compare Rek'Sai to be a "better version" of anything it'd be Pantheon, but he still is miles different. In fact, I'd say Rek'Sai is pretty damn unique.

Ixtali EmpressApr 11, 20151 votes

I agree Nocturne and RekSai don't feel alike as their kit allows for very different playstyles.

DeathToEcchiApr 11, 20151 votes

Yah, when have you ever seen Rek'Sai initiate with her ult, or dive the back line.

Mecha MaIphiteApr 11, 20151 votes

He means Nocturne, and Rek'Sai using tunnels to get to objectives.

UNCLES LUMBAGOJun 15, 20151 votes

or dive the back line.

All The Freaking Time.

4nth0l0gyApr 10, 20159 votes

Actually, with her recent damage nerfs, I have to disagree. Maybe once, but not anymore. Noc is a much stronger assassin now.

That being said, I agree that noc needs some work on his kit.

junglerboy16Apr 11, 20156 votes

they need to make him slightly less bruiserish and nudge him back toward being a bit more of an assassin than he is now.

AbyssphereApr 11, 20151 votes

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they need to make him slightly less bruiserish and nudge him back toward being a bit more of an assassin than he is now.

Agreed. It really doesn't feel right as a Nocturne player to be auto-attacking someone repeatedly. Everything about his kit suggests being terrifying but when he dives on you from nowhere there's just no impact because you know even if he kills you it'll be in a few seconds time. He really doesn't fulfill his fantasy imo.

junglerboy16Apr 11, 20151 votes

Agreed. I've seen a full damage nocturne do some scary DPS for sure, but he still wasn't anywhere near assassinating anyone, because all his damage is loaded into right clicking. He needs at least a little more reliable up front spell burst to be a real assassin. I'm ok with him being a DPS assassin carry (like Yi is for example), but even Yi has good ability burst in his kit, where Nocturne has one line nuke, a delayed fear, a delayed/conditional passive steroid, and a conditional AS steroid, as opposed to a Nuke, a passive steroid, and two high power active steroids on Yi.

NinpireApr 12, 20151 votes

His dps late game can still kill squishes faster than some assassins, like zed. Hell. Late game if I ever see the adc slightly away from their team and they're in range, they're dead.

His ultimate gives him free access to the back line basically, so he doesn't even need to flank. If that's not a good trait for an assassin I don't know what is

junglerboy16Apr 12, 20151 votes

it is, but the rest of his kit isn't assassin like.

MysticFlameHazeApr 11, 20151 votes

yes he is stronger assassin but rek sai is not mean't to be an assassin, so that point doesn't matter. and i do agree that he does need some jungle compensation buffs although i don't really like the champ, his attack speed annoys me a bit.

4nth0l0gyApr 11, 20151 votes

Well, yes, it does matter, because it shows there's variation in their gameplay. Meaning that RekSai is not, in fact, a strict upgrade of Nocturne .

SociopathFriendApr 10, 20157 votes

... Nocturne has a spell-shield, a point-and-click fear, and can jump to an actual target while taking away enemy team vision Rek-Sai hurts things, knocks-them up, (which can miss) has a glorified teleport and is entirely countered by not moving

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbApr 10, 20151 votes

Noc's spell shield also takes really good read to use well. His "point-and-click fear" is one of a few delayed (also read: easily escapable) cc's in the game, and his ult requires vision to go in on. You might think requiring vision isn't a big deal, but trust me, it is.

junglerboy16Apr 11, 20151 votes

the whole not moving thing isn't entirely true, because a good Rek'sai knows the most dangerous part of the map is the one where something "isn't", and then starts throwing out prey seekers to check if anyone is in the dark zone.

MysticFlameHazeApr 11, 20151 votes

i don't think that's good rek'sai player, i think that's just common sense lol

TenSlashTenApr 11, 20152 votes

if you haven't noticed half the new champions that aren't season 1/pre season 2 are just better versions of old champions. Nami = sona 2.0 Graves = MF 2.0 (before lane bully MF was gutted) Lucian is basically if MF could move while ulting Gnar is basically vayne with renekton+shyvana ult lol Kallista is ashe 2.0 if ashe had a real passive lol Ahri is basically if old karma had an ult that gave flashes (Q self heals+having 3 dashes would've probably made old karma just as retarded as an ahri if you think about it.. its still a big stretch though)

KaisadiIIaApr 11, 20151 votes

I don't think that's intentional, instead, this is what happens when you have 130 champions in a game but you are too worried of actually introducing new mechanics.

I hate comparing LoL to DotA, but this time it's necessary: look at DotA's heroes, their abilities and mechanics are more "unique", so it's easier for them to not simply outclass old heroes with new ones.

Some may think that new champions are "unique", but they aren't: Yeah, their kits look pretty awesome, but they are actually just more complicated versions of already existing mechanics: Kalista's "unique" passive is just a dash. Azir's "unique" W is just an AoE damage over time spell. Gnar's "unique" passive is just a more complicated version of Shyvana's ultimate. Lucian is basically an hybrid of Miss Fortune and Graves, so which one of them will be "OP" is decided by which one has the highest numbers. Rek'Sai, as the OP said, it's just a stronger version of Nocturne, that sacrifices a bit of damage for a ton of tankiness and utility. Braum is just Leona with less reliable CC in exchange of a bit of mobility, a shield, and a manly mustache.

DreadlocksApr 11, 20152 votes

I think it would be cool if they just made nocs Q allow him to move through walls like it use to... Global ulti again would be neat too ^^.

RainbowIceeApr 11, 20151 votes

Honestly just a lower CD on his ult. You'll pretty much ult once if slow twice by the time you're level 11 'That's a huge time gap for when things can happen and he would truly need it. Not to mention that his ult's range at lv 1 is pretty piss poor. It's on the radius of seeing you coming to get away from you.

DarkFaun FortesApr 10, 20151 votes

I agree, I Was gifted Nocturnes Legendary skin, and its AMAZING!!!! But, Nocturne now lacks in comparison to others I could play.

GloriousKaiserApr 10, 20151 votes

Well Nocturne is a pretty good diver. Rek'Sai can't directly jump on to people but Noc can.

There's one plus. And the spell shield, but I guess that's it.

AFK PushApr 11, 20151 votes

It's funny, because people were saying that Pantheon is a better Nocturne as well.

UncensoredAngelApr 11, 20151 votes

Nocterns Fear is op and his ult dosnt suck...

MysticFlameHazeApr 11, 20152 votes

his ult range blows, bard has a much larger ult range than nocturne's ult. what is it noct's ult 2000 units where bard is at 5000?

CZNOuI9LIwApr 11, 20152 votes

Bard's ult has 3400 range. Nocturne only has 2000 at level 6. At 16, he has 100 more than Bard.

MysticFlameHazeApr 12, 20151 votes

oh my bad about the range, but i still find it awful to have such a low range for an ult like that at lvl 6.

TPA Aki IzayoiApr 11, 20151 votes

The point of the spell shield, honestly it's the "weakest" part of his kit.

The reason why Nocturne was heavily picked was because of the Vision Denial vs Shen top lane.

Sure you can pick Nocturne now but his pre-level 6 gank aren't very good ever since they changed how fear works now.

Face it Noct needs a complete overhaul.

TobenApr 11, 20151 votes

Now that you mention it, I've completely forgotten about Nocturne. I forgot how much fun he was......

I think the fact that Rek'Sai can tunnel right behind the enemy laner puts her a bit over the top. I believe it a better 1v1 duelist (people tend to forget that he can do a ton of damage). I think the reason we don't see much nocturne is just because competitive players tend to like picking Rek'Sai.

aaronconlinApr 11, 20151 votes

I haven't seen a single Nocturne since season 4

4NoxiousHoursApr 11, 20151 votes

nocturne sucks. he dies fast and he cant kill fast.

Xela SyabApr 11, 20151 votes

Noc has issues, he can't effectively assassinate anyone because he doesn't have any burst, and he's not an effective fighter because of his squishy stats. If anything Noc is an ineffective Rengar. He's good top against some combo bruisers but even then he can lose fights quick. He just needs some higher base stats so he can be a fighter or something changed on his kit so he can burst like an assassin. I think a good mechanic would be to either give him passive 10% damage increase on targets that are feared, this would give him more damage to assassinate a target if he gets close to fear them or if the has teammates with fear. This wouldn't make him anymore op than talon who has the same style passive but with ANY cc.

SolaxoApr 11, 20151 votes

No, they're different champions. Stop lying.

wRZcGiWq62Apr 11, 20151 votes

It's funny, he seems like the new Lee Sin. Rek'Sai and Zed are in almost every single high elo game / LCS. Yet they are busy nerfing Veigar, Ryze, Blitzcrank, Annie-- etc. It's funny how they get skipped over.

thinking manApr 12, 20151 votes

idk how you can compare the two since nocturne is a counterganker but rek'sai just uses her ult to get back from base

ModKnightsKemplarApr 12, 20151 votes

I agree with you that Noct needs a little love, which is why I'm posting. Needs visibility. But I disagree that Rek can do EVERYTHING Noct can. It's just that Noct's unique aspects aren't emphasized very well.

Giving him small vision denial on a single target with Duskbringer or something like that would go a long way to making him feel unique. I agree that he needs work, and I'm be VERY surprised to hear that there weren't any Rioters who are aware of that.