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Vi vs Lee Sin 7.3

the Rìver King·2/7/2017, 10:57:27 PM·40 votes·4,243 views
Patch 7.3 Notes

Preemptive Warning: Fatigue induced salt incoming.

Taken from Riot's 7.3 patch notes...

Vi Movement speed and base attack speed reduced. 2017’s jungle has proven pretty favorable for Vi, even with one or her stronger keystones being nerfed. As such, we’re taking this opportunity to go under the hood and retune her base stats to be more in line with others in her weight class. For a champion with a two-charge attack reset and two gap-closers, her base movement and attack speeds were a touch out of line. The only thing that should be excessive about Vi is her force. Base Stats MOVEMENT SPEED 345 ⇒ 340 BASE ATTACK SPEED 0.644 ⇒ 0.625

Taken from League of Legends Wikipedia...

Lee Sin Movespeed: 350 Lee Sin Attackspeed: 0.651 (+ 0 – 51%)

This is despite the fact that Lee Sin also has two gapclosers and an attack speed steroid passive in his kit. This next bit is anecdotal but still worth mentioning, Lee Sin's traditional weakness (lategame) doesn't really exist anymore as games simply do not generally last that long, as shown here: http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/game-durations

So if Vi's base movement speed and attack speeds are a touch out of line, what are Lee Sin's?

54 Comments

Attticus Finch2/7/2017, 11:10:45 PM30 votes

Vi is currently overpowered. The state of Lee Sin has nothing to do with the healthiness of another champion.

Serika Zero2/8/2017, 10:50:41 AM4 votes

Lee needs nerfs, but rito will not do it

Raxistaicho2/8/2017, 3:34:33 AM2 votes

Guys, Elise ALSO has two gapclosers and an attack speed steroid in her kit!!! that means something, right? :U

TotalJerk2/8/2017, 4:10:37 AM2 votes

I dislike giving any melee champion that relies on autos for damage reduced movement speed regardless of their amount of dashes. Champions who are designed to repeatedly do melee auto attacks have high base movement speed for a reason. If they aren't faster than a fleeing target they have to walk back in range with every auto attack which makes them super clunky. You can already see this annoying bullshit on a Mordekaiser trying to Q without Rylai's. On top of that, 5 ms is going to do fuckall to stop her from diving into your backline. To make matters worse, 5 ms is also going to mean nothing after she blue smites you anyway.

TheEdgeOfDestiny2/8/2017, 8:37:49 AM2 votes

Taken from League of Legends Wikipedia...

Elise Movespeed: 325 Elise Attackspeed: 0.625

This is despite the fact that Elise also has two gapclosers and an attack speed steroid in her kit. This next bit is anecdotal but still worth mentioning, Elise's traditional weakness (lategame) doesn't really exist anymore as games simply do not generally last that long, as shown here:

Dominick Destine2/8/2017, 9:14:26 AM2 votes

Lee Sin never "fell off", that's just a red herring by Lee fans and Lee players. He scales better than 90% of the cast of characters... people have run the numbers many times and it is always the same. He is only cleanly outscaled by hyperscalers like Kog, Vayne, Nasus, etc.

The character is faceroll easy to play and brokenly overpowered.

AMYS GRAVE2/8/2017, 4:30:21 PM1 votes

Naw, they're actually looking at her base movespeed in the context of her mobility while they ignore that on lee.

Bard R Friday2/8/2017, 6:01:01 PM1 votes

Attack speed steroid does not equal two auto resets. Vi also has hard cc and damage on both of her gap closers and they are easier to hit than Lee's. You can't compare champions with terms that general.

sobi9992/8/2017, 6:14:56 PM1 votes

I don't think that nerf to Vi was something of significance,. She will still stand in a pretty solid position but atleast that nerf was a good start after COTC. Don't want her completely gutted and face lee sins everywhere.

AninLegions7772/8/2017, 8:00:16 PM1 votes

Dude stop crying. Lee was nerfed a while back. His damage was significantly lowered and thanks to the Lethality buffs, playing him now is risky AF. So no, he doesn't need nerfs as urgently as Vi who presses two buttons and locks you down.

Frius2/8/2017, 8:53:01 PM1 votes

lee sin is riots` puppy

h5LYF41Lam2/8/2017, 1:19:44 AM1 votes

lee doesnt have 2 autoattack resets.

DeadJokr2/8/2017, 3:21:37 AM1 votes

and here i thought it would be that Vi-sin joke

TheEdgeOfDestiny2/8/2017, 8:39:40 AM1 votes

Taken from League of Legends Wikipedia...

Volibear Movespeed: 345 Volibear Attackspeed: 0.658

This is despite the fact that Volibear doesn't have any gapclosers and has attack speed steroid in his kit. This next bit is anecdotal but still worth mentioning, Volibear's traditional weakness (lategame) doesn't really exist anymore as games simply do not generally last that long, as shown here:

TheEdgeOfDestiny2/8/2017, 8:41:31 AM1 votes

Taken from League of Legends Wikipedia...

Xin Zhao Movespeed: 345 Xin Zhao Attackspeed: 0.676

This is despite the fact that Xin Zhao has a gapcloser and has attack speed steroid in his kit. This next bit is anecdotal but still worth mentioning, Xin Zhao's traditional weakness (lategame) doesn't really exist anymore as games simply do not generally last that long, as shown here:

TheEdgeOfDestiny2/8/2017, 8:42:47 AM1 votes

Taken from League of Legends Wikipedia...

Warwick Movespeed: 335 Warwick Attackspeed: 0.638

This is despite the fact that Warwick has two gapclosers and an attack speed steroid passive in his kit.. This next bit is anecdotal but still worth mentioning,Warwick traditional weakness (lategame) doesn't really exist anymore as games simply do not generally last that long, as shown here: