Riot's balance team

LionelLeon·Jul 15, 2015·30 votes·1,617 views

You are about to witness what happens in the riot balance team

"O Mai faking gad, eve has a 20% pick ban rate with a 30% win rate in the LC$? That's too much, even TDK kez insta locked her instead of gragss, this can't be happening let's nerf her to unviability!"

Meanwhile kalista has a 95% pick ban rate with a ~60% win rate in LC$

Gragas has a 97% pick bane rate and a ~55% win rate.

How the f**k does the balance team come with these nerfs? They nerfed kalista's auto attacks instead of her unlimited stacking rend that slows.

Rito pls.

24 Comments

Critmaster GarenJul 15, 20158 votes

while i agree, that they didnt nerf kallista where it counts, eve is always a problem when shes viable.

because riot refuses to touch her with anything but nerfs to her ratios and base kit. when the only thign they really need to do is give us a way to ward halfway decently with green wards against her, as they made pink wards useless for that purpose.

for a short time, they had a mandrake ward on the pbe, that would issue a ping on itself, when eve enters its vision area. if they would add that function to regular green wards, then they could buff eves base kit again.

we dont even need to pinpoint her location or have her stealth broken. just some way to know that shes around, so we can stop turret hugging for a second, when a ward pings on another part of the map.

Vistha KaiJul 15, 20152 votes

You can always ward deeper in her jungle, red, blue and raptors.

Knight SoIaire Jul 15, 20152 votes

doesnt help

she clears and dissapears ... you wont know whether she goes to you or the other lane nearby

Vistha KaiJul 15, 20151 votes

Unless she stays in a monster camp for 5 seconds I don't see how that's the case.

Critmaster GarenJul 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EZXltyTG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-07-15T19:56:10.261+0000)

You can always ward deeper in her jungle, red, blue and raptors.

that is in many situations far too dangerous. at least on top lane you have to go deep into the enemy jungle and ward at least 2 spots at red, and the golems.

you take the risk of randomly running into her and getting boxed in by her and the enemy laners. the next problem is, that it takes valuable time away from the lane in which your opponent farms or pushes creeps into your turret.

even if you do, as has been stated. she does the camp and then disappears. you dont know in which direction she went. could be a couple of minutes before she pops up somewhere else on the map and you know youre safe. or she might just suddenly pop up in your face.

the windows at which you can ward the enemy jungle safely are too rare, and you wont find them very early on in the game, where her ganks hurt the most.

and that still doesnt guarantee, that she just doesnt come walking up the river and ganks you without going through her jungle and doing camps first, or she may just walk through the lane.

against any other jungler you can usually ward the river entrance to your lane, and the lane bushes if you want to be sure not to get ganked. you will also see the enemy jungler pop up on wards of your team on other spots of the map, which can be important information.

if the enemy jungler is around bot lane, you can make an aggressive play on your opponent without being worried about getting baited into a gank. in case of eve, you always have to assume that shes around and the best strategy is to basically play passive the entire time.

really all we have to do is some ability to ward properly against her.

AkabaneKunJul 15, 20152 votes

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/favoritism . Been going on for years now.

XilburJul 15, 20151 votes

So champs being banned a lot with lower win rate means that it is a bad thing?

DrtyTrollsJul 15, 20151 votes

Think OP is talking about champs with low WINRATES being nerfed because they got played once in LCS.

Mandang0Jul 15, 20151 votes

I'm actually a fan of the direction Riot took w/ Kalista's nerf. It seems like they're acknowledging the give and take of maintaining a power budget, so that if you create a carry with strengths in utility and mobility, then they probably need to have low damage. Hitting skill damage is cute, but how much does skill damage matter lategame for most ADCs? The fact that Kalista is still using her skill lategame already puts her above most ADCs. On top of that, most of the ADC skills that actually do get used lategame are used for utility/repositioning rather than damage, but Kalista already gets the repositioning with her autos anyway.

As for Eve, it's probably because stealth has always been hard to balance. It's a mechanic that tends to be far stronger in solo queue than in coordinated play, so it's bound to be off-balanced in one or the other. The other thing I could guess is concern over runeglaive on Eve, but Riot's gutting runeglaive too so that would seem a poor reason.

GatiJul 15, 20151 votes

They don't fix the problem, they just beat around the bush and 'fix' a problem that never really existed

xSpicexJul 15, 20151 votes

they need to balance out the players in solo q too they need to have bronze players playing with bronze players... i hate when u are playing in silver and u get a bronze player on your team mtched up aginst a silver player and they get murderd and u lose the game from it. this has been happening to me for the past 2 day and i cant win a game when im so fed riot needs to do something

OrdersJul 15, 20151 votes

Riot likes nerfing parts of the champion that aren't even the actual problem, presumably because they want to keep the champ's "identity" intact. If I were to make a guess, Riot thinks Kalista's unlimited Rend stacking and hopping is her identity (and rightfully so), but they fail to see that it is their identity that is the biggest problem.

Chespin2013Jul 15, 20151 votes

I think when it comes to eve its different her kit is just toxic to play against and in general I think she needs a another rework sion level. Her identity is so messed Riot themselves don't even know what to make her. She's classified as a assassin but ap eve, warrior eve, even cinderhulk eve all can be used for her. She just in desperate need of a rework in general.

LionelLeonJul 15, 20151 votes

How will tank eve work if they keep nerfing her base damage? Her ratios are aren't that great and she'll get blown up if she goes full damage.

KeevalroyJul 15, 20151 votes

Remove Martial Poise! Remove Martial Poise! Remove Martial Poise! How many times do we need to slap you in the face with her most glaring problem Riot??

CharQueenJul 15, 20151 votes

Eve needs to get splattered on a wall, y'know, like a bug.

Then, they can take the juices of whatever is left after they discard all of her parts...I feel sorry for whoever has to handle that streetwalker costume. Probably got some stains on it.

Now, they put that juice in a blender. And they hire some France-Milano designer. Y'know, couture that looks stupid but cool.

When all of thats done, they'll have to balance her back into the game. In order to do this properly, a pack of camels will be needed. Several. Add a bon fire, fresh puppies, and whatever we can illegally buy off of Twitch. Nuke it in the microwave, give it a week on PBE to scare the crap out of people, and then put it into main game and wait for the complaints.

Don't read those complaints, they're not real anyway. Instead, give out lighters and wait for a crime to be committed. Know that it isn't your fault and you might get sued. But, if you go to jail, a few favors can get you out of there. Nothing true to say about it, but it involves some kind of fetish and the chef.

TotalJerkJul 15, 20151 votes

Simple explanation: Rito balance IS heavily influenced by the LCS, but far more weight is given to bans than picks.

LoL Ergo UrgotJul 16, 20151 votes

Hey! Here's a crazy idea! Don't play Evelynn . If you are that sexually frustrated, there's actual naked tarts/mancandy (I don't judge) on the internet.

LionelLeonJul 16, 20151 votes

I play her for how versatile I can build her and the fact she can kill any immobile carry so easy

Big Bang BobJul 16, 20151 votes

What is a pick ban rate?

Is it a champ's pick rate plus it's ban rate? Why not just name both statistics separately?

EDIT: Nevermind. I though about it. :P

HighKingOfSkyrimJul 16, 20151 votes

Kalista adjustments are happening/coming...

I dont know about the eve nerfs, as i never played her and only saw bengi fuck shit up with her...

Downvoted anyway for bad tone...

LionelLeonJul 16, 20151 votes

Maybe if you played her you would realize how weak she is

TotalJerkJul 17, 20151 votes

I don't think her passive is as problematic as people say it is. Her rend slow isn't either. The problem is that they took a ranged champion, and gave her BOTH. On top of that, rend inexplicably costs 40 mana at all ranks.