It'll separate the Ekko "mains" from the Ekko mains.
(FYI, I love Ekko. He's super fun and my favorite assassin to play atm. The Ekko nerfs will only make me try harder and try to play smarter and hopefully that nerf will root out people who play him just because he's OP)
One Bind Morgana11 votesk
being bursted for 1900 damage with one button was fun anyways
the guy is literally an aoe veigar with a massive heal, mobility/cc and shields
BeerOfRoot484324 votesYou're literally a tree with branches, leaves, and fruit.
One Bind Morgana2 votesYou're literally a tree with branches, leaves, and fruit.
my summoner icon?
IS1a442cd69a169ed293a392 votesmy summoner icon?
Yes.
Treyen1 votesAll I see is the broken image icon because league forums are coded about as well as the client. \o/
Arsames10 votesEkko is fine, l2p or cry some more.
Thats a Bingo6 votesOh yeah. He's actually not that unbearable to play against. I know people don't know how to play against him and QQ about him.
But at the same time the upcoming nerf, which actually does make sense, will trim out the good from the great.
PerishSoftly6 votes
Excuse me sir, but do you have a moment to talk about AP?
Svddenly8 votesThe nerfs that are on the PBE are barely anything close to what he needs and it's not addressing the main issues people are complaining about (imo at least). Typical Riot tbh.
So far the nerfs are:
Base movement speed reduced to 340 from 345 Phase Drive (E) damage reduced to 30/60/90/120/150 from 50/80/110/140/170
All he lost was 5 ms and 20 damage on his E.
Shinjusuke15 votesyeah, because even THAT is more than he needs.
The champion LITERALLY, provably, has more counterplay than any other champion in the entire game.
You die to ekko, and either he is blatantly a better player or you're just stupid (or stubborn).
People are just a fucking hivemind in this game. It has nothing to do with the champion's balance state. Ekko is fine.
xl Kirito lx4 votesI'm still happy with those nerfs. No major changes, just enough to get Ekko off of permaban status, and playable in solo que again. Completely unnecessary nerfs, but acceptable ones.
Svddenly6 votesThat is not enough for anything. 20 damage and 5 movespeed isn't anything.
Ratbert3 votes5 movespeed is huge.
Svddenly9 votesNot when you have a dash, two blinks, three slows, and a stun.
Ratbert3 votesIt matters on anyone who can't permanently dash or blink for free.
LegitBacon661 voteswait theres a third slow???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? I thought only W and Q. WTF?
SnugglePuggle9417 votes"Ekko is fine". The hell he is. A double dash, a blink, a slow, 2.25 second stun, major shield that is better than any other in the game, and a major heal on a time reversable ult. No, he is anywhere near from fine. His numbers are way to high and he has too many things in his kit. I'm glad for the nerfs that are coming but he needs more.
lnting Machine4 votesYet he only has a 47.82% win rate. 99th place out of the 125 champs in this game.
2.25 second stun is heavily telegraphed, and you'd have to be next to brain dead to get stunned with it. The shield is tied into the stun, so its again, heavily telegraphed. A shield isn't too useful when it gives away that he's going to use it. Pretty much screams "I'm shielding my self, so you better run so i can't all in you"
His ult is next to impossible to land on ANY competent player that knows to avoid his shadow, making it solely an escape ability in quite a few situations, with a few nifty tricks like insta returning to lane, and juking.
The only thing I think is ridiculous about him is his ability too stick and burst with his stickiness, but every assassin has that same thing with them. Akali, Talon, Zed, Fizz. So thats not even anything wrong with Ekko, its just a class trait.
Ekko only gets absurd when he gets ahead, but thats literally every assassin, and they usually get ahead because the person they laned against was an idiot, or the other lanes didn't ward and got 2v1's with Ekko KSing.
The only thing Ekko needs, is time, so people can figure out how to play against him, and what he counters, and vice versa.
Retillin7 votesIt might not be the most popular thing to say, but I think that 47% is misleading. Championgg shows his midlaning on platinum+ is 46%. People that have played 1-5 ranked games with him have a 45%. People who have played 5-15 have a 52%, and the few to have 15+ have 74% (granted no idea how small the sample size is for 15+).
So really, if people are winning 52% of the time with a new assassin after only playing him 5 times I think the argument for his "bad" win rate is in error.
shalexade4 votesIt might not be the most popular thing to say, but I think that 47% is misleading. Championgg shows his midlaning on platinum+ is 46%. People that have played 1-5 ranked games with him have a 45%. People who have played 5-15 have a 52%, and the few to have 15+ have 74% (granted no idea how small the sample size is for 15+).
So really, if people are winning 52% of the time with a new assassin after only playing him 5 times I think the argument for his "bad" win rate is in error.
Championsgg also has his 15+ jungle win rate at -2%
Me thinks they have messed up a little :D
Terchio4 votesYou know that stun Veigar has that stuns a large area and dropped him to shit tier because it got a delay in it? Yeah, that was a 1.5 second stun (realistically, because that is never leveled early), and only reaches up to 2.5 seconds after level 18 most of the time. That's on a champion with no other CC nor dash in his kit whatsoever, and he gets 3 slows, a speed boost, a dash, and a heal on top of it, not to mention one of the highest AP values on a burst skill in the game (maybe highest?).
The other problem is that people don't even know how to play him right yet. If I told you he had a general combo, I bet you'd laugh, and yet his kit makes it pretty clear. He's like Ahri and Sivir in that both have a boomerang skill, but neither of them have the means to force a boomerang to return to them with a clear target (Ahri R, maybe). Ekko, on the other hand, very specifically has a teleport attack to land right on top of his intended target, and a slow from the first part of his Q to run past. With any luck, he can pick a random W spot, and get a huge stun, but he doesn't even have to because his kit should already be landed.
The problem with Ekko is not that he is impossible to beat. His problem is that he's overly reliable with multiple options for escape, if things do somehow go awry. However, if you're careful to go in when you have opportunity, you'll generally be able to land your kit's full damage (aside from ulti) in the process of running away (if you need to).
I Main Swain1 votesVeigar's stun is a veigar problem, not an ekko problem. also, ekko's w is really freaking hard to land considering its delay (and pretty easy to dodge too).
Terchio1 votesYou also aren't playing him right yet. Kalista's win ratio was crap, then beefed up when people played her right, then turned crappy again before the nerfs because tons of total noobs would try to play her, and they only had a slightly below average win rate with a totally new champion.
His W is difficult to land, but not particularly important in his kit, as he gets exactly 0 damage from it. I don't see many whining about Viktor's or Veigar's W having oppressive power, either. Not even in teamfights, because plenty of AoE CC skills are out there, it's the damage that's OP. Also, his oppressive damage doubles as a reliable way to get people to chase, doubling up the effectiveness of his W as well. Just like Vik and Veigar, if you are using W offensively, you're probably either doing it wrong or are already fed. It's a baiting tool more than a damage secure, as damage secure tools are on DPS characters, not those that have cooldowns to worry about. 1 second, and you have your kit spent on the enemy.
I Main Swain1 votesfirst off, not sure where you were trying to go with the whole "you aren't playing him yet".
second, his power really isn't oppressive, at least no more so than any other assassin (aside from talon of course. no oppression there). I also entirely disagree with the idea that you're almost only using your w right if you use it defensively. honestly, with his w, you have to predict whether or not you will need it defensively because it takes so long to land. 90% of the time someone tries to use it defensively it goes off after everything is over or when most of it is.
also, just because an ability does no damage, doesn't mean it isn't important to the kit. look at veigars stun, elise cacoon/rappel, trundle pillar. cc and shields are always a budgeted form of power.
I Main Swain1 voteshis double dash is predictable and short range. the stun is easily avoidable, the shield lasts less time than his stun, the "major heal" will never realistically heal him for more than 1/4-1/3 his hp. the only thing that really needs nerfed is his ult damage ratio should be lowered and they should lower the shield strength but increase it's duration.
LegitBacon661 votesW passive is getting nerfed.
Svddenly1 voteslink pls
LegitBacon661 votesParallel Convergence [ W ]
Maximum damage of passive vs minions and monsters has been decreased from 400 to 150
HeadHonchkrow2 votesso?
XeroKimo4 votesEkko, low ass mana cost, fisrt released yasuo level shield, Nerfs E base damage and movement speed by 5......
Preacher Saiba5 voteshis mana costs are most certainly not low dafuq are you talkin' bout'
Svddenly4 votesHis R is free. It really needs a mana cost of at least 100.
Preacher Saiba2 votesi'm fine with that but i go oom all the time with ekko he has no sustain.
Svddenly4 votesMana management. Ekko should be punished for spamming his abilities til he's oom. Such as giving his ult a mana cost.
shalexade1 votesWhat's your thoughts on the mana cost of Kayles ult?
Svddenly5 votesno cost I'm assuming?
well at least it doesn't:
So... Yeah. I'm not a big fan of no cost abilities on mana champs. How many are there?
shalexade1 votesWhy is that?
It's ok for cooldowns to be the only gate on manaless champs isn't it?
Cause they are balanced around that.
Why is that different here?
Strawberrycocoa2 votesLovetap nerfs do have a funny way of mnoticeably reducing how often a champion is played. Te tiniest little reduction sends people running back to other champions faster than LeBlanc can blink.
JustMyBassCannon2 votesPartly because those tiny nerfs make just enough difference to affect FotM players, but not serious players that love the champion itself.
JustMyBassCannon2 votesI'm not a main or anything, but I have been defending Ekko's design since his release.
Let me say that I am also looking forward to his nerfs. Excess power needs to be shaved, and I honestly think he needs more put into his sustained damage like they said was his focus in the first place.
AFK Push1 votesYep, release week is full of people who instantbuy the new champ and say some shit like "I think I'm going to main them." Hopefully that person will disappear just like the lack of Ekko in the weeks to come.
shalexade3 votesNEWS FLASH: People play and are excited by the new champ when they're first released!
manbearswine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Thats a Bingo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EYjABEsA,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-06-04T14:05:25.757+0000)
It'll separate the Ekko "mains" from the Ekko mains.
(FYI, I love Ekko. He's super fun and my favorite assassin to play atm. The Ekko nerfs will only make me try harder and try to play smarter and hopefully that nerf will root out people who play him just because he's OP)
Yeah there are no ekko mains,you don't main a champion by having 3 games on him when he is crazy broken,the only thing ekko has right now are free elo mains,and they won't get separated from this broken champion by such minor nerfs.
Migrañaboy1 votesRedaction classes for OP:
I'm actually looking forward to Ekko Nerfs
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