Zyra's problem isn't her damage...

Cameran·9/10/2015, 11:17:29 AM·38 votes·2,910 views

On the PBE, Zyra's damage has been "buffed" by reworking her plant AI. She's also had a +0.5s cc on her ult reverted. I understand that fixing bugs that grant power requires some give and take, but ultimately this won't solve Zyra's issues.

Having played her a boatload in S3, Zyra's was already an immobile champ who made up for that with her ability to shutdown a dive and punish poor decisionmaking and positioning by the other team. Since then, she's been gutted w/r/t to her mobility/utility (-10 ms, -missile speed on E, -%cdr on w, giving her less room for error in casting plants, among other things). In addition, the game has become even more defined by mobility. Very few champions that see play at higher levels don't have some sort of dash/bilnk/etc to get them in and out faster. Zyra is made of wet tissue paper and is one of the bottom 5 champions in regards to her mobility. It's gotten to the point where she's almost just collateral damage - you don't need to focus her, she'll just die as a result of you going in and casting on someone else.

If you want to help Zyra, give her some MS back and/or make her less likely to fall over from a breeze thrown her way. Until then, she's not going to be seeing serious play. And that's sad, since Zyra isn't a showy "plays" champ like the vast majority of the highly played roster.

64 Comments

The Bearded Bard9/10/2015, 12:02:16 PM26 votes

As a Zyra main, I'd much rather have movement speed buffs/cdr on W back/longer snare at early ranks/literally anything but damage.

pacifishstick9/10/2015, 7:07:21 PM14 votes

Just an idea but what if she could step on her own seeds to grant herself a MS bonus? She wouldn't have a dash or a blink but she would have some form of situational mobility. That way she would have to decide whether to unload all of her seeds offensively in order to maximize her damage, or save one or two as a form of mobility to escape sticky situations. Additionally, if she gets caught out before a major objective spawns/a siege/a massive team fight her damage potential would be diminished if she used a seed to help herself escape.

TripNichols9/10/2015, 1:17:17 PM10 votes

I agree that damage wise, ZyraZyra is excellent. Very bursty, then vulnerable, exactly what a mage should be. I think the extra movement speed is a fantastic idea to make her relevant again. She definitely needs a little sumptin sumptin.

manbearswine9/10/2015, 11:41:03 AM9 votes

Nah,riot thought about buffing zyra but then they realizied they had one major flaw in their buffs:

Zyra buffs=Zyra played more as a support=more variety in the support role=less thresh.

And we just can't have that.

Cindikle9/11/2015, 9:42:30 PM2 votes

10 MS

Faster E

Change her passive to a charge effect, working like Varus' Q. But can be fired off sooner at the shorter range.

gg git diff9/10/2015, 10:36:32 PM2 votes

Not being on the lowest Movement Speed level would be nice.

LVL 5 PORO9/11/2015, 1:00:10 AM2 votes

How about we make her passive like Fiora's ult. When she dies, she turns into a rose garden that heals all allies within its radius.

KoKoboto9/11/2015, 1:47:18 AM2 votes

Zyra isn't a support guys shes a carry :) I think changing passive ability and maybe W passive would be nice to make her more thematically sound in some way, I do like the thought of turning into a plant for her passive but its honestly so useless most of the time and could use a change, also perhaps changing the free CDR passive into something more interactive and more plantlike would be nice pushing her away from the support position with those free utility stats