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I really feel like Lee Sin needs buffs across the board

Neurosurgeonwolf·7/21/2015, 12:17:49 AM·1 votes·504 views

I get it, a lot of people hate him back from when he was the king of the jungle. But his nerfs were too much, WAY too much.

He should have his ASPD slow that allowed him to duel duelist junglers like Udyr, his lifesteal should be increased as well from his W so that he can have an easier time farming in the enhanced jungle. Furthermore I think his passive needs a complete revamp or to be at least doubled in potency- at present it is negligible and ignorable lategame.

Like yeah you can ward hop if you're AMAZING but that isn't enough to pick a jungler. I feel like Lee Sin's base numbers (not ratios) should be increased by 50-100 each for damage too. He just doesn't bring enough damage at present to make him useful. Also I feel like his AOE ability should also decrease AD/AP damages of all enemy team members by 20% as well as slow attack speed as it did before. It's only fair for all the tradeoffs he has for being melee.

I know this will be met with a lot of hate because of the past where Lee Sin dominated, but that is the past. We're in a completely new meta and a completely new year. Lee Sin needs incredible buffs to become viable again and not an off-meta troll pick.

13 Comments

Lugg7/21/2015, 12:36:29 AM6 votes

Lee Sin definitely doesn't need any buffs at all. He is one of the safest champs in the game, has insane outplay potential, and is still regularly played at the pro level. The pros would never play him if he wasn't strong.

Pretty Dhizi7/21/2015, 12:36:00 AM6 votes

His kit is still broken in many cases. He doesn't need buffs.

High nuke R with knockback/also can hit multiple enemies, 600 + 200% AD ratio on a 60 second cooldown Two gapclosers One gapcloser is a shield that gives spellvamp/lifesteal up to 25% at spell-level 5, which is higher than Nasus's passive, or Morganas. 7 second Cooldown at 5 One gapcloser is a execute with a 90% AD ratio on the first hit, 180% on the second + 8% of missing health. still 7 seconds at level 5 One AoE, vision-granting, 100% AD ratio spell with up to a 60% slow on a 10 second cooldown.

Overloaded kit with too much in it for so little? No buffs please. Horrible idea.

Lordk0z7/21/2015, 12:19:45 AM3 votes

So? Too fucking bad, he got what he deserves and is in the place he deserves to be.

Matezoide7/21/2015, 12:57:32 AM2 votes

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Abyssphere7/21/2015, 12:57:46 AM1 votes

Serious talk: He doesn't need buffs. 15-20% pick rate in LCS seems balanced to me.

Non-serious: funny thread but it's a bit obvious.

Rain NT7/21/2015, 1:01:38 AM1 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/34750048?champion=64

Doesnt need a nerf, I play him I know. He is completely balanced atm and I like it the way it is so only good Lee Sin can be really annoying when im facing AGAINST HIM

If you know how to use his passive correctly, he wins early trades against most match up. He has safe clears.. and he makes plays all around the map if youre good.

When I play lee, I make sure my lanes win! And if we are losing I will find a way to get a pick off a champion to win late game. I'm going to tell you now, theres always ways to win with Lee. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1890780404/34750048?tab=overview I caught Cho this game and we won off of that, because I knew vayne had enough items to kill him so all I had to do was find an oppurtunity to insec him into my team which worked and we won. Still down in gold kills baron and even turrets until that last teamfight.

BeatzBoyFTW7/21/2015, 2:40:18 AM1 votes

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Lee Sin needs buffs because I said so.

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Remlap12237/21/2015, 12:26:23 AM1 votes

Until his regeneration gets nerfed, until he loses the passive spell vamp and lifesteal, until he loses the %health execute on his Q, until he loses the slow on his E, and until the damage on his ultimate is halved, he should not be buffed.

If or when that happens, he can be allowed to be good again. Until that happens, he can stay rotting in purgatory with his overloaded kit.

NemeBro7/21/2015, 12:33:04 AM1 votes

{quoted} He should have his ASPD slow that allowed him to duel duelist junglers like Udyr

I agree that Lee isn't in a great place now and could use some help, but I don't agree with this.

Lee Sin already has considerably more mobility and utility than a champion like Udyr. Why does he need to be as good at dueling, one of Udyr's biggest strengths, as well?

Nameless Voice7/21/2015, 12:41:13 AM1 votes

Honest question: What nerfs? Lee Sin hasn't been nerfed since November 2014, and hasn't been nerfed significantly since July 2014. (He also had some indirect nerfs with the Warrior enchantment getting nerfed, though those didn't only affect him.)

Note that he was still the top jungler until around March 2015, and that only because tanks started to dominate the jungle and people played him less.