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After playing against leblanc and seeing challenger players struggle against her

naymless·10/19/2018, 4:24:16 PM·42 votes·15,106 views

I wonder why in the hell riot though reverting her was a good idea. Unless you counterpick her, lane is hell on earth. Sure you can try to take time warp tonic, sure you can try to shove in against her, and you can try to rush early MR, but it doesn't make very much of a difference. If you shove in against her she'll reach a point where she can just ignore the minions and oneshot you regardless, or her jg will come gank you. Time warp lets you survive against a trade without backing, great. It just delays the inevitable. As for getting early MR? When I purchased it I felt no difference whatsoever.

Hell, even if she doesn't get ahead, her mid game oneshot potential is unreal. She isn't broken, she falls off the summoner's rift like a rock, but laning against her is worse than laning against pantheon top as fiora in pantheon's hayday. The reworked version was so much healthier to play against than this monstrosity. Sure, she had waveclear, but all that amounted to was great roaming potential at a certain point and good splitpushing potential.

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Beatrice falls10/19/2018, 5:46:07 PM15 votes

As a LB player, her first rework was terrible because she became more of a control mage than a burst mage (wave-clear and delayed burst, your max amount of damage came from your E, tho her R R mechanic was insanely satisfying and fun to use), but her "revert" is the stupidest thing ever made, especially with the new runes. Being able to proc Sudden impact + Electrocute in a single burst (Q + W + summoner 14 and later Q + R + W) is ridiculous with the amount of damage it brings, at level 6 I can 100-0 anyone by just pressing these buttons. They should keep a part of her "reworked" kit (the "mark" thingy was cool but too delayed for an assassin like her, and her RR too, but her waveclear had nothing to do there) and add it to her current kit, while removing some of her current kit's power

giannishannibal10/19/2018, 4:49:29 PM11 votes

The problem was the LB community was immensly dissatisfied cause the rework lb was actually a squishy close quarter battle mage and not an assasin like Riot has said she is or was in her current form. As a result since Riot revert the Kog Maw rework and then rengar Q revert and has set the precedent they request it again and again so Riot consider it and did it.

Larriet10/20/2018, 3:39:32 AM6 votes

I can deal with literally any other assassin but her. I normally scoff at people who permaban one champion (I mean that half-joking, of course), but I totally understand someone who would never want to see her. She lacks counterplay.

chipndip110/19/2018, 7:16:08 PM4 votes

Boards: Shaco Upfront burst is bullshit. I don't have time to counter-play when I'm dead as soon as they move. Leblanc

Also boards: Akali Assassin that's hard to master that doesn't burst the shit out of me by virtue of being themselves? Also cancer. Akali

May as well just dismantle the whole sub-class.

koshkyra10/20/2018, 3:34:15 AM2 votes

I really dont get whats so hard about playing against leblanc. She dashes directly at you, making her EXTREMELY vulnerable to return damage, unlike stuff like Zed/Talon/Fizz with the bullshit blinks, invis, untargetability, etc.

SuffocateMeDaddy10/20/2018, 8:51:25 AM1 votes

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I wonder why in the hell riot though reverting her was a good idea.

BECAUSE HER REWORK WAS DOG SHIT. Why the fuck is everyone asking same question over and over fucking again. Let me explain to you FOR THOUSANDTH time how terrible that rework was. First of all they changed R mechanic making it work like Karmas ult and adding clone to it. LITERALLY EVERYONE was throwing clone off cooldown to random location so they dont fail the combo. Combo got slower because you had to press two buttons instead of one. Her only weakness (A SHITTY CLEAR POWER) got essentially removed. Her mark damage was moved to her passive. This achieved few things among which are :

LOWERED HER SKILL FLOOR so even the most braindead player could perform good on her, making her one of the most banned champions for two weeks before she got nerfed. and nerfed. And nerfed. Contrary to now where only few players in top 1% can actually perform well on her.
Gave her delay on burst which :

A) Didnt do shit for mid lane, if anything made her burst even easier BECAUSE ANYONE CAN W JUMP ON YOU AND THEN PRESS Q AFTER 1.5 SECONDS. This didnt give you window to counterplay, this only made her laning phase even more cancer.

B) Made her completely useless past 20 minutes. As soon as laning phase ended, she became completely useless. Why? Because her MAIN FUCKING TARGET COULD RIGHTCLICK HER TO DEATH. Leblanc now has to hit her combo and she is rewarded with burst so high, if you dont build any MR you will die. LeBlanc then couldnt do shit to ADC

Made LeBlanc mains quit the champion and the fucking game. Seriously LeBlanc never was very popular, there are onetricks who are devoted to her tho. But they fucking quit. Instead they got replaced by random autofills who think that W Q 1.5 seconds RQ and hextech gunblade is difficult to perform.

Unless you counterpick her, lane is hell on earth.Sure you can try to take time warp tonic, sure you can try to shove in against her, and you can try to rush early MR, but it doesn't make very much of a difference.

TAKE SCORCH AND HIT HER ONCE WITH CORRUPTING POTION. YOU WON THE TRADE

If you shove in against her she'll reach a point where she can just ignore the minions and oneshot you regardless, or her jg will come gank you.

THATS NOT SHOVING THATS OVER EXTENDING

Time warp lets you survive against a trade without backing, great. It just delays the inevitable.

What is inevitable? Her garbage lategame?

As for getting early MR? When I purchased it I felt no difference whatsoever.

Yeah because she rushes 30 flat penetration.

Hell, even if she doesn't get ahead, her mid game oneshot potential is unreal.

No.

She isn't broken, she falls off the summoner's rift like a rock, but laning against her is worse than laning against pantheon top as fiora in pantheon's hayday.

Yeah right, if you say this then im convinced that you never played top lane.

The reworked version was so much healthier to play against than this monstrosity.

NO. It was worse in lane and she was useless beyond lane.

Sure, she had waveclear, but all that amounted to was great roaming potential at a certain point and good splitpushing potential.

You think that roaming and splitpushing isnt that impressive? AurelionSol 60% win rate Talon 60% win rate. Now imagine she also had as easy early game as she had pre rework.

Ahris10/20/2018, 10:52:38 AM1 votes

What is wrong with challenger player struggling? Every champ should be hard to deal with right?

FilDaFunk10/20/2018, 2:07:29 PM1 votes

She's supposed to have a great laning phase (although her wave clear is lacking), bu she falls off lategame.

Luxyria10/21/2018, 1:16:51 AM1 votes

i main Lissandra and Lux and i love killing her