How to fix Marksman

THE MØNEY SHØT·Jan 23, 2019·1 votes·944 views

I have been watching LEC and LCK and played the game for 8 years, participated in competitive play, and all the marksman including pros are complaining about SoloQue at all levels. Marksman are way too team dependent. I watched Imaqtpie Video "RIOT ASKED ME HOW TO FIX ADC". He is on to something. Make some of the Marksman items cheaper. The ADC items are fine they just need to be cheaper to scale.

I've noticed i'll have 50-100 cs in my games over my opponent's and not make an impact in the game. My tanks and fighters will call marksman useless in game. My friends laughed on their Fighters/ Assassins and Mages and say "who cares if the enemies marksman fed. Don't worry i can 2 shot her." Mages can 2 - 3 shot marksman without completed items, and fighters will 2 shot marksman with 1 completed item. Marksman take way too long to scale and this is how you can give marksman a fighting chance in our games:

Updates needed: Make specific zeal items cheaper: Rapid firecannon Runaan's Hurricane cheaper Changes needed: Update Statikk Shiv ( weak item / add value to this item) Update last whisper items ( Add value / Currently doesn't impact the game )

This will help marksman and tanks. Marksman and Tanks go hand and hand. We need each other in the game. Marksman needs a front line, resources, and / or engage. This alone gives Tanks value and be more playable . This will give us a fighting chance against all this damage we have to deal with in the game. I don't mind being 2-3 shot as long as i have a fighting chance to fight back.

7 Comments

ZephyrDrakeJan 23, 20191 votes

sorry but what? an ADC full build is already cheaper than most other classes full builds... why would they need to have their items be even cheaper? what they need is something that they can get as a reliable one item spike that isn't this abomination item 3095

The thigh guyJan 23, 20191 votes

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sorry but what? an ADC full build is already cheaper than most other classes full builds... why would they need to have their items be even cheaper? what they need is something that they can get as a reliable one item spike that isn't this abomination

Not really. Their items cost less and they get significantly less out of them. Compare static shiv to let’s say, black cleaver. 100 gold difference. Black cleaver by default is a better item, you get more over all damage, arguably the same ms boost, cdr and tank stats.

What do you get from the shiv? A tiny damage amped auto and a chance to maybe equal the damage the cleaver user did.

How about big ticket items. Infinity edge vs rabadons and triforce. Ie gives a decent amount of damage. That’s about it. Rabadons gives unarguably more damage And triforce again, gives unarguably more damage and utility.

Adc jtems cost the same as everyone else’s and give us so much less.

Excluding stormrazor which everyone is in agreement of is a stupid af item.

AlzonJan 23, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E69Jaqj5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-23T20:59:54.681+0000)

Not really. Their items cost less and they get significantly less out of them. Compare static shiv to let’s say, black cleaver. 100 gold difference. Black cleaver by default is a better item, you get more over all damage, arguably the same ms boost, cdr and tank stats.

What do you get from the shiv? A tiny damage amped auto and a chance to maybe equal the damage the cleaver user did.

How about big ticket items. Infinity edge vs rabadons and triforce. Ie gives a decent amount of damage. That’s about it. Rabadons gives unarguably more damage And triforce again, gives unarguably more damage and utility.

Adc jtems cost the same as everyone else’s and give us so much less.

Excluding stormrazor which everyone is in agreement of is a stupid af item.

They get significantly less value PER ITEM, that’s true. But you have to remember that these stats all multiply each other. That’s why the individual value is low, and why the item prices were lowered - so crit marksmen can come online earlier, since they need multiple items to do so.

The thigh guyJan 23, 20191 votes

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They get significantly less value PER ITEM, that’s true. But you have to remember that these stats all multiply each other. That’s why the individual value is low, and why the item prices were lowered - so crit marksmen can come online earlier, since they need multiple items to do so.

And there’s the problem. An adc needs over 9000 gold to have any relevance. Where as say an assassin only needs 2900. And that’s just to go even with them, ignoring the fact that they are still getting stronger as the adc does. This is also not accounting for boots, which berserker’s greaves are IMO the second worst boot set in the game.

THE MØNEY SHØTJan 24, 20191 votes

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And there’s the problem. An adc needs over 9000 gold to have any relevance. Where as say an assassin only needs 2900. And that’s just to go even with them, ignoring the fact that they are still getting stronger as the adc does. This is also not accounting for boots, which berserker’s greaves are IMO the second worst boot set in the game.

Excellent. Getting people to talk about it. Marksman take way too long to scale, and it's not like there's a huge class of things to learn: support, mage, assasin, marksman, tank, and fighter. Why should i be punish by out playing you, out csing you, orb walking ( mechanics that marksman have to learn), and still scale late because i'm mechanically better than you. I don't mind getting 2-3 shot; but i should be able to counter play what you're doing if i have the mechanics.

Bring skill back RIOT!!!

I like stixxay, DL, Uzi, Ruler not because of the class but the skill to play those champions.

ZephyrDrakeJan 23, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E69Jaqj5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-23T20:59:54.681+0000)

Not really. Their items cost less and they get significantly less out of them. Compare static shiv to let’s say, black cleaver. 100 gold difference. Black cleaver by default is a better item, you get more over all damage, arguably the same ms boost, cdr and tank stats.

What do you get from the shiv? A tiny damage amped auto and a chance to maybe equal the damage the cleaver user did.

How about big ticket items. Infinity edge vs rabadons and triforce. Ie gives a decent amount of damage. That’s about it. Rabadons gives unarguably more damage And triforce again, gives unarguably more damage and utility.

Adc jtems cost the same as everyone else’s and give us so much less.

Excluding stormrazor which everyone is in agreement of is a stupid af item.

You are literally comparing an items that on their own offer little but combined offer a lot to other items that (excluding rabadons) are useful on their own but don't scale all that great with other items.

The thigh guyJan 23, 20191 votes

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You are literally comparing an items that on their own offer little but combined offer a lot to other items that (excluding rabadons) are useful on their own but don't scale all that great with other items.

The comparison is that it takes 9000 gold to match 2900 gold.