What is up with the DQ hate?

DetaramE KiddinG·Apr 25, 2016·11 votes·1,947 views

So I have been seeing alot of complains about Dynamic Q lately. I've only done one post before in my 3 years of league, but the amount of hate going about this is so ridiculous and downright stupid that i have to post about this. So please try to help me understand this.

People say everyone you get on the team is a "troll". Yeah, that happens alot in Blind Pick Q too. IRRELEVANT
People say that queue times take too long. Somewhat Relevant but still a stupid reason. Teambuild took even longer.
Teambuilder was so much better. Yes, only being able to choose one role is so much better than having an alternative. IRRELEVANT

To be honest, all this hate on Dynamic Q is ridiculous, and is so much better than Team Builder. If you have an alternative type of Queue idea, place it in the response, but for the time being, I think the community is made up of spoiled babies that want everything centered around them.

47 Comments

Zone of EndlessApr 25, 20167 votes

Those aren't even the main reason why people hate soloq.

The main reason why people hate soloq is the fact you can Q up as 4 or 5. That ruins the competitiveness of ranked because now that premade team have communication advantage over the solo team. You can now get your friends to boost you out of w/e league you were in. It under mind the skills needed to get to higher ranked so those gold+ rank is meaningless. Those people that got there solo can feel good about themselves but the community won't believe them when they say they got there solo.

Not to mention getting grouped(no matter how rare) with premade 4 is one of the worst experiences in league.

Maximum MordeApr 25, 20163 votes

The scenario of premade vs pure solo team isn't one that is common at all, I think. From my experience it's usually premade vs premade plus the solo fills on both teams. This is still not a good thing for solo players as it tilts the match dynamic. It basically boils down to whichever team has the better premade wins, and the solo players are just there for the ride. Not very fun for a solo player. I'd be willing to compromise the 4+1 vs 4+1 if Rito made it only match premade 2s and 3s with other 2s and 3s. Ideally I want pure solo, but, I'm willing to compromise if Rito makes an honest effort to improve my experience.

Live2LetDieApr 25, 20161 votes

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Those aren't even the main reason why people hate soloq.

The main reason why people hate soloq is the fact you can Q up as 4 or 5. That ruins the competitiveness of ranked because now that premade team have communication advantage over the solo team. You can now get your friends to boost you out of w/e league you were in. It under mind the skills needed to get to higher ranked so those gold+ rank is meaningless. Those people that got there solo can feel good about themselves but the community won't believe them when they say they got there solo.

Not to mention getting grouped(no matter how rare) with premade 4 is one of the worst experiences in league.

Completely wrong. Plat3+ has been uneffected by DQ. You can compare the numbers of last season to this and they are the same. If people were boosted to such elo then we would see an influx of players at the top.

Toothierosprey3Apr 25, 20165 votes

People hate the four man quad queues that can ruin the game. There wasn't anything wrong with the queue before, and there were ranked teams which were fun, so why change it?

QuephaApr 25, 20163 votes

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There wasn't anything wrong with the queue before

Except for the times when the number of friends you had online were not equal to 1 or 4. Which is quite a lot of the time for quite a lot of players.

Toothierosprey3Apr 25, 20162 votes

There's still blind pick if you want to play with friends.

ElysMustacheApr 25, 20163 votes

Blind Pick is not League of Legends, though.

Toothierosprey3Apr 25, 20161 votes

Yes it iss

QuephaApr 25, 20162 votes

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There's still blind pick if you want to play with friends.

It's better to support people playing with friends than to restrict them.

Toothierosprey3Apr 25, 20161 votes

Not if they're restricting solo players in ranked and making the ranked system less reliable as a whole at the same time.

QuephaApr 25, 20161 votes

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Not if they're restricting solo players in ranked and making the ranked system less reliable as a whole at the same time.

According to Riot, they've been able to more reliably make more balanced games this season than previous ones.

LiveYiOrDieHardApr 25, 20163 votes

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According to Riot, they've been able to more reliably make more balanced games this season than previous ones.

ahhahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahhhaaaaahahaa

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It's one league, not one division. One league is actually a pretty big margin.

There's no way around that restriction for ranked games and it has been present all seasons. That's also one of the reasons that Dynamic queue is good: there are already restrictions on who you can play with and stacking more on top of that compounds the difficulty of organizing games with friends when there are already tons of factors from outside the game that interfere.

There were no restrictions on ranked 5s. You know, the mode that was actually teamwork oriented.

QuephaApr 25, 20161 votes

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ahhahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahhhaaaaahahaa

You can call them liars if you want, but that's their claim.

There were no restrictions on ranked 5s. You know, the mode that was actually teamwork oriented.

That's true, I forgot about ranked 5's because it is such a massive pain in the ass to assemble exactly five players and sync their schedules in League of Legends, any other online game, or any game at all.

Toothierosprey3Apr 25, 20161 votes

That's why it's a separate queue, it requires friends, and solo queue does not. It's unfair that people that have others to play with have a communication advantage on those who don't.

QuephaApr 25, 20161 votes

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That's why it's a separate queue, it requires friends, and solo queue does not. It's unfair that people that have others to play with have a communication advantage on those who don't.

It doesn't just require friends, it requires exactly four friends who are consistently simultaneously available for multiple hours per week.

And the boards exaggerate the communication advantage. I have personally been a part of several games where a team of players without voice communication beat 5 stacks.

Toothierosprey3Apr 25, 20161 votes

Yes, it's a separate queue, meaning it's not the only choice for ranked, unlike dynamic queue. The communication advantage actually makes a substantial difference in any game of league, and I'm positive that you have a higher chance of losing if you're in a team with five solo queue players than if you're a part of a four or five man queue all using voice chat.

QuephaApr 25, 20161 votes

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I'm positive that you have a higher chance of losing if you're in a team with five solo queue players than if you're a part of a four or five man queue all using voice chat.

good thing it practically never happens.

Toothierosprey3Apr 25, 20161 votes

Also, I'm not able to play ranked with friends anymore because dynamic queue requires that I'm within one league of them, which I'm not for the most part.

QuephaApr 25, 20161 votes

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Also, I'm not able to play ranked with friends anymore because dynamic queue requires that I'm within one division of them, which I'm not for the most part.

It's one league, not one division. One league is actually a pretty big margin.

There's no way around that restriction for ranked games and it has been present all seasons. That's also one of the reasons that Dynamic queue is good: there are already restrictions on who you can play with and stacking more on top of that compounds the difficulty of organizing games with friends when there are already tons of factors from outside the game that interfere.

Toothierosprey3Apr 25, 20161 votes

Yesh, that's what I meant. But still, most of my friends being fairly new, so I can't play dynamic queue with them because they're bronze or silver.

WoonStruckApr 25, 20163 votes

Remember that time when you had either no friends on or more than 4 friends on now.

Guess that means Dynamic Queue is bad by the same logic.

QuephaApr 25, 20161 votes

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Remember that time when you had either no friends on or more than 4 friends on now.

Guess that means Dynamic Queue is bad by the same logic.

If you have no friends on you can still use dynamic queue If you have more than 4 friends on then League still doesn't support you, but there's no solution for that other than hexakill.

WoonStruckApr 25, 20164 votes

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If you have no friends on you can still use dynamic queue If you have more than 4 friends on then League still doesn't support you, but there's no solution for that other than hexakill.

If you have no friends, you have a terrible experience via Dynamic Queue.

And guess what? If you had more than 1 friend you wanted to play ranked with, League didn't support you. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

The only aspect of DQ you ever talk about is "play with friends", which you could already do via 5v5 or normals. Ranked is not for 'playing with friends' its for self-improvement and competition. Dynamic Queue is the opposite of that.

QuephaApr 25, 20161 votes

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If you have no friends, you have a terrible experience via Dynamic Queue.

Just like last season when you were matched with other carry-minded solos who refused to communicate or cooperate. If anything, getting premades in your group ends up with a generally better experience because they're less likely to be d-bags.

And guess what? If you had more than 1 friend you wanted to play ranked with, League didn't support you. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

There's absolutely something wrong with putting restrictions on players capable of playing a team game with people they would like to be on their team.

The only aspect of DQ you ever talk about is "play with friends", which you could already do via 5v5 or normals. Ranked is not for 'playing with friends' its for self-improvement and competition. Dynamic Queue is the opposite of that.

Working with a team of people you know and cooperate well with doesn't foster competition in a 5v5, teamwork-based, objective-oriented game? Are you sure you aren't thinking of any other genre of video games?

BoulderoxApr 25, 20162 votes

Working with a team of people you know and cooperate well with doesn't foster competition in a 5v5, teamwork-based, objective-oriented game? Are you sure you aren't thinking of any other genre of video games?

So the lcs isn't a competition, the fact that you want to play with people that you can at least trust they won't go 0/7 by 10 min.... that actually has your back, cus fuck, that is what teamwork is... and as i recall, league is a TEAM GAME. It is just something that needs to be accounted for, when you load in LOOK at the enemy team, see who is a squad and notify the team, if bot duo has a jg friend, guess who is going to get a lot of ganks? It is all just another thing to keep in mind, friends like to help friends, which can be taken advantage of yourself.

I just think it is funny how people get mad riot is praising team gameplay when it is the only successful way to cut down of afk/dc trolls, knowing the people you play with lowers this trend exponentially. And you don't HAVE to be friends with them IRL, half my online friends i never met IRL, just play some games, and if you find someone you had fun with, ask to add them/ play some games, happens all the time as long as you are doing what you are supposed to be doing...

WoonStruckApr 25, 20162 votes

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Just like last season when you were matched with other carry-minded solos who refused to communicate or cooperate. If anything, getting premades in your group ends up with a generally better experience because they're less likely to be d-bags.

Solo players are more likely to listen than premades in my experience. Premades often only want to deal with/help their premade and often communicate with other players far less. Premades are no less likely to be d-bags to a solo players. If they ARE d-bags to a solo player, thats then 2+ people being d-bags to the solo player.

There's absolutely something wrong with putting restrictions on players capable of playing a team game with people they would like to be on their team.

They already could play together. What do you not understand about that? Dynamic Queue, however, does not fit the way teams are graded against each other. ELO measures one unit vs another. Units can only be comprised of wholes in this case. That means solos or full teams. That's why Duos had a significant matchmaking disadvantage before. Explain why that was removed if you're going to talk about what's 'wrong.'

Working with a team of people you know and cooperate well with doesn't foster competition in a 5v5, teamwork-based, objective-oriented game? Are you sure you aren't thinking of any other genre of video games?

Did the 5v5 ladder not exist, or am I mistaken?

QuephaApr 25, 20161 votes

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ELO measures one unit vs another.

Your team always goes up and down as a unit every game, whether solo queue, duo, or a 5 stack. If you lose because the adc didn't know how to position, you still lose.

LiveYiOrDieHardApr 25, 20162 votes

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Just like last season when you were matched with other carry-minded solos who refused to communicate or cooperate. If anything, getting premades in your group ends up with a generally better experience because they're less likely to be d-bags.

Nah. The only difference is you're less likely to get matched up with only one d-bag. So you either get a wonderful game where the whole team is nice, or a game straight from the depths of hell with 4 d-bags who are constantly backing each other up against you.

Maximum MordeApr 25, 20163 votes

Team builder was trash cause you could be kicked for your pick. Also, cause no bans = fotm op bullshit every match. New Champ Select, awesome, dynamic queue, not as awesome.

BladeSteelApr 25, 20163 votes

People are just taking the old "elo hell" blame and now sticking it on "premades and dq" its not that dq is really bad (it should be/ will be better if riot does what it has promised to do with it), they just want to blame something...and so its premades and dq. its the "oh we had a four man premade so we lost" and they conveniently forgot about the 2 other games they won with a four man premade.

Live2LetDieApr 25, 20163 votes

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People are just taking the old "elo hell" blame and now sticking it on "premades and dq" its not that dq is really bad (it should be/ will be better if riot does what it has promised to do with it), they just want to blame something...and so its premades and dq. its the "oh we had a four man premade so we lost" and they conveniently forgot about the 2 other games they won with a four man premade.

^^^^ this X1000. It's just the new excuse for low elo.

Immortal spaxApr 25, 20163 votes

But if even the challanger and lcs players complained about it...

Live2LetDieApr 25, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Immortal spax,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E5AEM9g4,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-04-25T16:32:26.328+0000)

But if even the challanger and lcs players complained about it...

They complain becuase they play against the same pool of 1k people, if you see a pro in game you would camp the shit out of them, if you saw a challenger you would camp the shit out of them, etc.. No other elo had their problems so your reasoning is invalid. And the pros are still challenger even with DQ.

Immortal spaxApr 25, 20161 votes

Your statement is basically wrong, because the biggest earners from DQ are low elo players that can play with their more skilled friends.

You as a challanger you are kinda forced to play with other challangers, because its easy to find a 5made team against(just check on youtube what happens when you play against skt1 in Dynamiq Q)

WoonStruckApr 25, 20164 votes

The only people saying DQ is holding them back are scrubs.

Everyone else that hates it hates it for the simple fact that it destroyed ranked integrity. Rank means nothing now.

You have no way of knowing whether or not the person you're playing against is boosting or boosted. Before, the majority of the time you would be against someone who got where you are by some area of experience.

Combine that with the huge advantage that communication gives, and ranked is no longer about your skill level as a player.

ElysMustacheApr 25, 20163 votes

I have had a much better experience this season.

xBushxApr 25, 20163 votes

Here goes another famous "Riot employee gathering fake data through thread trick"

This will appear later by Lyte saying there was a survey lmao!!!

LauchmelderApr 25, 20161 votes

Like the "majority" doesn't do the same man.

"We are the majority as shown in this poll posted on the boards." No really? If I go into a church and ask them if Allah or God is the better god what do you expect the outcome would be?

xBushxApr 25, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MadKnife IV,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E5AEM9g4,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-04-25T15:35:01.229+0000)

Like the "majority" doesn't do the same man.

"We are the majority as shown in this poll posted on the boards." No really? If I go into a church and ask them if Allah or God is the better god what do you expect the outcome would be?

Wrong quote?? LOL

LauchmelderApr 25, 20162 votes

Not a wrong quote. SoloQQers are hypocrits.

xBushxApr 25, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MadKnife IV,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E5AEM9g4,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-25T16:41:24.747+0000)

Not a wrong quote. SoloQQers are hypocrits.

k...just wasn't sure if you were ripping on me or agreeing with me.

Clearly agreeing if my assumption of you using "majority" in response to my Lyte reference then WP sir WP. lol

FovereApr 25, 20163 votes

OP is confusing the changes in ranked with the changes in champion select for draft.

Tyrone LannisterApr 25, 20162 votes

Dq sucks. Culvers is better

DetaramE KiddinGApr 27, 20161 votes

Ya i agree. I'm more of a Sonic guy tho.

The JigSAWApr 25, 20161 votes

You know, it says a lot that team builder being around had none of these complaints. Some people said support queue timers were bad, and usually those weeks a lot of support champs were not free. But, the amazing thing? People actually enjoyed queuing in with their guaranteed role and champion.

Dynamic Queue is a joke, and so is solo queue blind pick. If I do not wish to do ranked, give me team builder so I can play with friends and have fun as opposed to go in DQ, wait 25 minutes, and have some idiot dodge after all the bans and picks to restart the timer all over again.

The Queen ViperApr 25, 20161 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

OH LOOK, YET ANOTHER CLUELESS PLEB WHO CONFUSES DQ AND CHAMPION SELECT

GoosetardApr 25, 20161 votes

Point 1: Yeah I think you're right.

Point 2: Teambuilder did have long queue times, particularly at off-hours. However, it existed ALONGSIDE the other queues. If you wanted shorter queue times, you had an alternative.

Point 3: Being able to choose your role is better than the system choosing for you. If you want, instead of offering meaningful counter-argument and explanation, I can just write IRRELEVANT after stuff you say. Up to you.

Overall, you ignore the fact that dynamic queue did not just replace teambuilder, but teambuilder and draft pick in both normals and ranked. This is a further problem in ranked because it erodes competitive integrity, which is important to some players. Furthermore, as others have pointed out, you don't differentiate between the new champion select process and "dynamic queue."

I'm not going to pretend that there isn't anything good about dynamic queue. I think what frustrates the majority of people the most, myself included, is that, unlike teambuilder (which you seem to want to compare to dynamic queue a lot), we were not offered a choice to use it. It is our only choice now. Teambuilder did some things fantastically well (I can play exactly the champ I want to) and other things poorly (long queue times, varying levels of champion competence, blind matchups), but you could choose when those strengths were a suitable tradeoff for those weaknesses (e.g. I want to practice a champion and I have something else to do while I wait for queue to pop).

TL;DR your ridiculous simplification of the issue and calling people who disagree "haters" is the other side of the "downright stupid" coin that you're complaining about. There are good reasons to like and not like DQ; making it the only choice for us sucked.

Hope this helped you understand.