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Matchmaking's kinda broken

TheKoreanTwink··2 votes·643 views

TLDR: I got placed with substantially worse players after losing 2 games.

When I first started this season I was Bronze 4 cuz I hadn't played for a long time and I was Bronze last season. But a week after i had been placed a started the long and hard climb and managed to drag myself up to Bronze 2. I thought it was all going pretty well however I got stuck at around 20-40 lp and lost 2 games in a row. Suddenly (not pointing fingers) I started getting placed with bad players. I understand my MMR had dropped quite a bit and I was pretty on tilt but some of these players were truly awful. They chose bad picks or played champions which they hadn't played before and before you knew it I was right back down to Bronze 4 with 50lp wondering if I'll ever get out of Bronze. I do understand I've been losing a lot causing my MMR to plummet and that I've gone 0/4/0 (mordekaiser) but I've also gone 21/10/3 ( akali) and 18/11/11 (gangplank) where I was doing really well and the only reason I lost was because of my teammates. That all aside what I really want to know is why I suddenly got placed with players far worse than the ones I was playing with just 2 games before.

14 Comments

Dukues5 votes

I think its more luck of the draw than anything. Winning more does increase your mmr and forces you to play with higher mmr players but in the end it should not be that much different. And losing 2 games shouldn't drop your mmr that much. If it was like 6-8 in a row then yea your mmr is to be impacted but 2 shouldn't change it that much. In reality I think you are just playing with average bronze teammates and need to learn to win those games regardless of how bad your teammates are. You are obviously not going to win every game, but you should be able to win enough to rank up back to you were or higher if that is where your actual skill level is.

Playing while tilted is always a bad idea. I have tested this for myself over the last few seasons and can say one of the biggest things I have learned in trying to climb is don't play when you are in a bad mood/titled. You are going to play worse and decrease your chance of winning and leads to longer losing streaks.

TheKoreanTwink1 votes

i have been tilted but when i get out of my tilt (match history 3 wins in a row) I get placed with bad players again. I'm forced to maintain a 40%-60% win rate regardless of my MMR

Dukues1 votes

I can't really explain exactly what I am thinking without typing a story and even then it might not make 100% sense. Really the 40-60% win rates make sense. The game ranks players based off wins/losses. Based on whatever your rating (mmr) is the game tries to find 9 other players around your mmr and match the mmrs together to make the most "even" teams. Assuming the mmr is the same on each team your chances of winning should be 50% because its 5v5 players with a same team mmr. Now when you breakdown players individually your mmr shows at what "rank" or "skill level" you play at most often. If you are playing at a certain rank level (lets say bronze 2) then it would make sense your win % is around 50% since you would not be ranking up or ranking down too far. Besides maybe some win streaks and losing streaks. If your win % was more like 55% or 60% then you obviously are playing at a higher skill level and your rank will rise. If you only winning 40-45% of your games then your playing on average poorer than your current rank and are going to rank down as you deserve a lower rank.

It wouldn't make sense for you to have over a 70% win percentage because your actual rank is not platinum or higher. If it was... then yea you would have a higher than 60% rate because you would be able to effect your current games much more than the average player in your games and therefore would win a lot more. Its like FeelsWindMan said. He went on an 18 game win streak ranking up his smurf account. Well... his main account and actual skill level (mmr) is higher than the people he was playing and therefore he impacted his lower rank games more than the other players in those games which gave him a rather high win %. Now he is playing with plat players and although his actual mmr is higher his skill is not as much higher over the plat players he is playing with now than it was over the gold & lower players he was playing with. So now his win % dropped from 70% to 60% because he cannot impact the game as much as he could vs lower mmr players. He is still going to rank up if he keeps winning 60% of games, but not as quickly as he did early on when he was playing lower mmr players.

TheKoreanTwink1 votes

I mean if they use win rate to dictate MMR and matchmaking and MMR dictates how much lp you'd receive then why do they try to keep it at a 60% max winrate. I understand that this system could be abused and you'd climb too fast but it seems rather unfair that they would try to controll it because when you reach the rank you should be at then you'd begin losing. It just doesn't seem right that they'd in a sense try to get you to lose just for the sake of keeping you playing the game. Because of course once you're stuck you'd stop playing but it just seems frustrating because I dropped 2 ranks in the span of 2 days. Part of it is of course tilt. I can't put all the blame on riot but there have been games where if I had a slightly better team the game would've been ours. League is very much so a team game so if as much as 1 person is doing poorly it will negatively affect the entire team. I understand low elo is full of these but keeping you at a 40%-60% win rate kinda sucks.

Depárt1 votes

Noticed this recently but in a different situation and at a much higher rank.

A few days ago I went on an 18 game win streak while ranking up my smurf (this account), EVERY SINGLE GAME SINCE THEN I seem to have been matched with extremely bad team mates that I simply can't do anything to carry. Now obviously I still have my fuckups and I have cost myself a couple games but I generally have noticed that my team mates seem to be all people around d4-d5 with either really low mmr or on really bad loss streaks, even encountered a few players that were eloboosted and had lost a crazy amount of times in a row (due to their own fault, not having bad games or bad teammates)

Since that very large win streak, I have struggled to be able to keep a 50% winrate (pretty sure the games after that winstreak I hold below 50% winrate)

My winrate has shot down from 73% out of just under 100 games to under 60% in over 100.

You may say "You've reached your skill level with all that lp gain and division skipping!" and to that I will say, no I certainly haven't because this is one of my smurf accounts, over a full tier below my actual rank where I maintain a 52.6~% winrate.

I've even been demoted to p3 on this account from losing so often, and I can't solo carry if my team isn't slightly competent as I am an adc player.

It seems that the system is either going out of its way to try to get this account to a 50% winrate, or I am a crazy level of unlucky.

TheKoreanTwink1 votes

Yeah why do they seem to force you to keep a 50% win rate? I mean at the start I was winning like 7 or 8 in a row but then I suddenly started to lose and now im at a sub 50% win rate. I understand they just want you to play their game more but forcing you to a 50% win rate seems kind of unfair. I've noticed that even my gold or plat friends have a 50% win rate.

Dragfin1 votes

It's RIOT and their ignorant person who made the matchmaking algorithm that tries to keep people at .500 win rate. You will continue to get below your skill level team mates until you lose a ton. Welcome to the stupidest matchmaking system in the history of gaming.

LordGeovanni1 votes

match makeing will put it so that both teams are roughly even. even if they are a lower rank than you though bronze 2 isnt far from bronze or 5 at all especially when bronze 1s get matched with gold 3s (only one of those on either team in each game) like that thats just how far the matchmakeing streaches bronze 5 is likely to be in your games until at least sliver 2. you were in bronze 4 and climbed why cant you give other players the benifit of the doubt that they are trying just like you did who were in the exact divison you were in. if you are getting worse teammates you are also getting worse enemies (useing rank to judge like you are)

TheKoreanTwink1 votes

I'm not using their rank to judge cuz I understand they might be new players and for your first rank all of bronze is fair play however I'm judging them by their gameplay and skill level. I've been frequently getting genuinely awful players or unsportsmanlike players where they completely give up cuz they got first blooded. I couldn't careless for their rank because until you get to gold and up rank doesn't mean too much.

LordGeovanni1 votes

and how the fuk is a system supposed to recouldnize that they can only go by ranks and winrates you were just in the same rank win rate brackets of the people around you most likely and same rank wount be the exact same division as you are in across all players to consitute something like that would need either lots of luck or 3 hour long que times assumeing that some one in your division wants to play league and a ranked game the same time you do at any time of the day

TheKoreanTwink1 votes

Its really hard to get more than a 60% winrate in low elo. It's pretty much unheard of. Part of it is obvious lack of skill which I too suffer from. However Riot seems force you to maintain at that winrate. Everyone in Bronze-Gold is at a 40-60% win rate so winrate doesnt mean too much because when my win rate was higher than 60% I was still paired with people with 40% win rates. It seems that climbing in ranks has become far harder since Season 4.

LordGeovanni1 votes

If you are doing better than normal you get better and harder people to play against or is the game supposed to keep giving you people you are clearly above to beat up on? frankly riots should be aiming for a lower average win rate than 50% and use 50% as a margin of error in both match making and champion balance.

LordGeovanni1 votes

thats personality and lazy ness as some one also in bronze i know what that is when you live next to the dump you smell the shit i supposed. But unless riot puts something that groups together people who tend to surrender in their matchmakeing like ive been suggesting for about 2 years since i started frequenting the boards not much they can do about that.

Rossonious1 votes

Earlier this season I was so happy I flew to S3 on a 60%+ win rate and knew I'd get gold.

Then my teammates became bronzes and my opposition became S2 and higher. It didn't let up the abuse until my stupid ass was B5 again (I tried to force a lot of taliyah during this time as well, was ill advised).

I now try to play a nice variety of champions rather than my best mains in order to prevent my better win streaks from brutally fucking me over. My most recent 12 game streak saw me having to more aggressively become a better leader to my teammates and shot call well but damn I'm reaping what I've sown now and it kinda sucks on days I don't want to be my teams vocal leader.

Anyways my anecdotal experience is if you start winning a lot the game thinks you're having a huge impact on your games and starts giving you people that need help (which isn't that bad), which then eventually leads to it giving you people that are not where they belong vs complete studs it's just throwing a free win at to be nice.

I've also been on the other side, lost a few games in a row then suddenly got fed the stupidest easiest win known to mankind but overall I hate how streaky my damn record has become and honestly dread my teammates come 5 wins in a row.

The other thing that's making my attempt at gold difficult this year is the fact that completely new ass players are placed in silver. That's a problem.

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