Is ADC really that hard?

TheKoreanTwink·Aug 17, 2016·3 votes·2,417 views

I'm a bronze. lets just get that out of the way.

If you're still here then thank you. I've trying to climb out of bronze for quite a while now, however one thing always stops me and drops me further than where I started. A BIG-ASS CHAIN of really bad bot lanes. I don't understand, I mean our opponents are also bronze so why is it so damn hard to just farm and not feed their ADC. 2 really good examples are my 2 recent games (my Rengar game and my Garen game). In these games they didn't start too bad I mean in the Garen one we started the game winning. But then suddenly our bot laners got double killed and the entire game is over. I understand bronzes are really aggressive but it can't be that hard to just farm then fight when you catch one of them out. What bugs me is that didn't even get ganked and still died. Is ADC really that hard?

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Fondling GemsAug 17, 201613 votes

ADC is the most mechanically intense role in LoL unless you are maybe playing Azir or something.

Also because the bot lane consists of twice as many people each of the 4 people has twice as many opportunities to catch out an opponent who makes a mistake, so bot lanes tend to be pretty bloody. On top of that having two people, one of whom is generally a cc bot means that snowballing is very easy as turret dives can easily be done without a jgler. On top of that ADCs don't have mobility and supports generally don't have escape mobility which makes the bot lane a great target for jglers especially since it comes with a free cc bot.

So bot lanes tend to go hard one way or the other, the way human brains are wired though means that 3 wins roughly equals one loss in our heads. That means that for every bot lane of ours that losses we need 3 bot lanes to win for it to balance out in our head because we are much more drastically affected by bad things than good ones.

archerno1Aug 17, 20162 votes

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ADC is the most mechanically intense role in LoL unless you are maybe playing Azir or something.

Also because the bot lane consists of twice as many people each of the 4 people has twice as many opportunities to catch out an opponent who makes a mistake, so bot lanes tend to be pretty bloody. On top of that having two people, one of whom is generally a cc bot means that snowballing is very easy as turret dives can easily be done without a jgler. On top of that ADCs don't have mobility and supports generally don't have escape mobility which makes the bot lane a great target for jglers especially since it comes with a free cc bot.

So bot lanes tend to go hard one way or the other, the way human brains are wired though means that 3 wins roughly equals one loss in our heads. That means that for every bot lane of ours that losses we need 3 bot lanes to win for it to balance out in our head because we are much more drastically affected by bad things than good ones.

Its not most mechanically intense role. Only couple require intense mechanical skills (Draven, Vayne, Kalista). But it requires positioning skill.

Fondling GemsAug 17, 20163 votes

I had this conversation with someone else and it was really long and painful so I don't feel like going through it again. Basically I googled "LoL hardest role"

Out of the first 5 results I believe 4 of them had ADC listed as the second hardest role to play, with JG being considered the hardest in every case and Support replacing ADC once.

However the reason JG is the Hardest role is because it requires the most game knowledge and watching the lanes. ADC is the second Hardest because it is the most micromanagey and mechanically intense. At this point it is pretty useless to argue it considering every one of my comments was heavily upvoted and every comment of the person arguing was downvoted. I personally didn't vote on their comments at all since that is against my general policy. At the time of typing this people are already downvoting you.

As hard as it can be to admit, people are generally right. Especially on a topic like this that has been discussed for multiple years with ADC almost always coming out on top. I honestly just want to watch some Usagi Drop right now and not have an argument with you. If you don't agree go read up on the topic, there are plenty of debates you can find with a little bot of Google searching.

archerno1Aug 17, 20161 votes

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I had this conversation with someone else and it was really long and painful so I don't feel like going through it again. Basically I googled "LoL hardest role"

Out of the first 5 results I believe 4 of them had ADC listed as the second hardest role to play, with JG being considered the hardest in every case and Support replacing ADC once.

However the reason JG is the Hardest role is because it requires the most game knowledge and watching the lanes. ADC is the second Hardest because it is the most micromanagey and mechanically intense. At this point it is pretty useless to argue it considering every one of my comments was heavily upvoted and every comment of the person arguing was downvoted. I personally didn't vote on their comments at all since that is against my general policy. At the time of typing this people are already downvoting you.

As hard as it can be to admit, people are generally right. Especially on a topic like this that has been discussed for multiple years with ADC almost always coming out on top. I honestly just want to watch some Usagi Drop right now and not have an argument with you. If you don't agree go read up on the topic, there are plenty of debates you can find with a little bot of Google searching.

We are talking about mechanical skill here. Not overall skill. I agree that ADC requires alot of skill. But not alot of mechanical skill (for most of them).

Fondling GemsAug 17, 20161 votes

The thing is the the champion kits aren't necessarily skill intensive, however the number of mechanics they have to learn is. For one ADCs are highly cs dependent which means that their csing has to be more on point than the average player's. They need to master orbwalking, kiting, and positioning, all of which fall under the mechanics category.

Mechanical skill is actually a pretty misleading term in games. Mechanical skill covers any actions you take in a game. For example placing a ward in a bush is technically a mechanical skill. Not a very impressive one of course. Placing a ward over a long wall so it falls into a bush is a slightly more advanced form of mechanical skill.

Realistically this means that the few skills that aren't mechanical skills tend to be game knowledge skills. Knowing how much dmg your autos/abilities will do to someone for example. Map awareness is another non-mechanical skill.

It can be pretty misleading just how many skills in LoL fall under the mechanical skill category. So with that in mind ADC IS the most mechanically skill oriented role.

SlythionAug 17, 20163 votes

#JungleLyfe

nah, but you are correct. Jungle is the hardest, followed up by ADC as second hardest if we are talking about skill caps here

Fondling GemsAug 17, 20162 votes

Yeah I respect what you guys do. Whenever I duo with people I try to do it with a good jungler just because you guys are so hard to find.

OurLestradeAug 17, 20163 votes

The thing about ADCs, especially with modern masteries, is that pretty much anything can kill them if they get on top of them. The amount of times I've been able to beat up ADCs on my own as Braum just goes to show. You've got to win battles of attrition against things that can oneshot you, and your auto range tends to be their assassination range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q-31JmWNvY

Buff Jax pleaseAug 17, 20162 votes

Its pretty easy to play if you have a decent team who knows how to play with you. In lower elo its harder cause you can't really win the game alone as adc.

Mechanically is rather easy since most you have to do is rightclick people, funny thing is that champions like Tryndamere, Jax or Master Yi who also rightclick people are called "easy noob champs" on these boards but adcs rigthclicking you is considered hard apparently.

Fondling GemsAug 17, 20161 votes

Mechanically ADC is the hardest role. The difference with champs like Yi and Trynd is that they are trying to just walk straight towards you, while adcs have to kite because a trynd will literally 2 shot them. I have seen a fed Yi actually just Q>aa an ADC and kill them.

ADCs have no mobility and need to know how to kite, orb walk, have excellent positioning, and cs very well because they are late game champs.

Buff Jax pleaseAug 17, 20162 votes

Lmao..so orbwalking doesnt exist for melee champs? And what about the fact theyh ave to deal with being kited? Ever played Yi or Tryndamere or Jax or what other melee carry?

I have seen a fed Draven actually just Q a Yi and kill him.

The fact that you are saying adcs have no moiblity just shwos you are beyond biased.

Fondling GemsAug 17, 20163 votes

Draven: A speedup on a long cd unless he catches an Axe which even if you are chasing means that you have to go less than full speed since axes don't fly that far.

Yi: A point and click blink that gets its cd reduced whenever he auto attacks someone.

Trynd: A dash that gets a reduced cd whenever he crits

There is a big difference there. Also while orbwalking is something melee champs do, it is much much much more vital for ADCs.

I actually like to think that I am not that biased. I have nothing for or against ADCs. They are a role that I haven't played much since joining the game when I tried to properly learn a champ for the first time, Ezreal.

I main support and recently have been playing a lot of Top and Mid, mostly Vlad. As a support main I am used to spending 90% of my time watching ADCs and evaluating their skills to know when and under what circumstances I can take fights. I try to remain an impartial judge in all things not related to Taric.

Take a look at ADCs. Other than Ezreal there is no ADC with a blink. The only ADCs with long range gapclosers are Corki and Trist. The adcs without dashes include: Ashe, Draven, Jhin, Jinx, Kog, MF, Sivir, Twitch, and Varus.

There are a number of adcs with dashes but they tend to be short ranged.

I am not saying that ADC is the only role that requires mechanics. I also never said that other roles don't use the skills I mentioned. However ADC as a whole utilizes the largest number of mechanics, is the least mobile, most prone to being bursted, cs intensive, and easiest to counter role in League. This isn't an argument. This is a fact that the majority of the LoL community agrees on.

ProfDrDeathAug 17, 20161 votes

Just one mistake:

Caitlyn's E is, in fact, a dash. A free-form one, even (free form meaning here that it does not require an additional target).

Fondling GemsAug 17, 20161 votes

Oh rip lol. I will fix that. I hate arguing about ADCs and wanted to get back to my anime so I kinda rushed that comment out lol. Ty for the catch.

archerno1Aug 17, 20162 votes

U are talking about early game and ADC,but u have to realize, its not ADC who wins bot lane. Its support. And most people in low elo dont wanna play support. So if its matchup "main support" vs "guy who picked support just so he doesnt have to wait in que", lane goes in "main support" favor.

ThunderspamAug 17, 20161 votes

that's why I main supp and adc, so I can play both roles and dominate the secondary pick bot laners

RalanrAug 17, 20162 votes

It's more high risk high reward than current generation assassins imo.

WeatheredAug 17, 20161 votes

I can play pretty much every role, but I really hate ADC. I don't like having to move my cursor that much for autos. I can move my mouse really well, enough that I can Kha double jump, but something about micro managing autos really puts me off.

dominusxAug 17, 20161 votes

you just farm for 20mins then hover your mouse over the enemy and they die... it's not just a bronze thing botlanes usually make or lose games most of the time pretty much 50% of the game one of the two botlanes is gonna feed their ass off. that cause mostly because botlane needs synergy if you dont have synergy with your supp/adc lanes is over but you can at least have the dignity to afk farm and not try to make plays

KaiokoAug 17, 20161 votes

I wouldn't say it's hard per say just that you have to consider a lot of things all at once. The best ADCs will walk the line between being close enough to be killed while dealing the most damage possible and surviving. You have to essentially know how a fight will play out before it starts, what each person's cooldown is on your team and the enemy's and whose going to peel for you on yours all while positioning well and properly hitting the opponent.

You're not tanky enough enough to survive hardly anything and you don't have the burst to just do quick damage and then leave. It's a very team dependent role in that you rely on someone to engage and someone to protect you which is why in bronze it can easily go very poorly.

Maximum MordeAug 17, 20161 votes

No. All u gotta do is right click towers.

AckelopeAug 18, 20161 votes

i think that statement could be applied to this game in general.

Unstoppable MonkAug 17, 20161 votes

Difficulty is variable on matchup, supports, and ADC selection.

Some ADCs are easy to play and if you claim ADC is skillz while having some easy arsed matchup with a highly skilled support vs. a high skillcap enemy pair you hard counter, it makes you a jackass.

The Yetii RiderAug 17, 20161 votes

How to ADC in Bronze

Become a Jhin main
Have Jhin banned by the Plat smurf who looked up his team's match histories
Pick Ashe with no regard for team comp
Say "It's okay team, I'm Ashe. I may not get tons of kills, but at least I won't feed"
Feed your ass off

Unstoppable MonkAug 17, 20161 votes

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How to ADC in Bronze

Become a Jhin main

Have Jhin banned by the Plat smurf who looked up his team's match histories

Pick Ashe with no regard for team comp

Say "It's okay team, I'm Ashe. I may not get tons of kills, but at least I won't feed"

Feed your ass off

You're not wrong.

MunchCrunchLunchAug 17, 20161 votes

if your playing vayne split pushing and 1v1ing a zed and winning adc is hard. if you're standing in the back line right clicking and just depending on your tanks to peel for you. its the easiest thing. its usually the latter.

i want to see an adc actually go and try to tough it out and team fight while not getting any help from teammates.

right clicking. isn't mechanically hard. again unless you're playing vayne and you have to utilize your mobility. but then again it reaches a point in the game where she kills you in three autos that take one second

IS3E531E3F964391Aug 17, 20161 votes

not in the early game, I mean come on, you have a player dedicated to babysitting you and if that isn't enough you ask another player to babysit you, namely the jungler, so that's 2 babysitters for you

AckelopeAug 18, 20161 votes

Eh, you have a player "babysitting" you, but that isn't there sole job, not to mention the fact that the people you're laning against also have that babysitter advantage, meaning it's kinda negated, and since it's a 2 person lane it's only more snowbally.

CerealBoxOfDoomAug 17, 20161 votes

adc isn't that hard, you more than likely suck at it anyways.

Its hard enough that if you don't bother practicing you wont really be that good but youll still be good enough to win against other people like you.

Athenes LuluAug 18, 20161 votes

Mechanically wise? Yeah. Having to play almost perfectly (eat some cc skillshot you're gonna have a very hard time) with much less room to move around is kinda tedious if anything.

Decisive wise? Not really. You can pretty much listen to your support and still make the most out of yourself.

Though a hard part is having to deal with your possibly bad/whiny/toxic supports, because you have to rely on them to some extent as well.