Should there be more mpen items?

hccpu·7/10/2017, 10:42:15 AM·1 votes·375 views

Armor penetration has 3 flat pen from dirk routes, 2 %pen last whisper routes, and the black cleaver shred. Magic penetration has 2 flat pen boots and Guise, 1 %pen in the Void staff, and Wits End gives shred.

Wits end isn't really a proper apc item but cleaver was never meant for adc so that's probably fine. The flat mpen route gives health, a defensive stat, while the lethality (formerly armor pen) route gives nothing but murder The %mpen route gives AP and pen, the %apen gives ad, pen, and a passive to aid in murder

This particular tree feels like it should be mirrored between ad and ap more closely. Is it just me?

5 Comments

KuroCaliber7/10/2017, 10:45:55 AM1 votes

When you can build over 60 Mr per item, along with several magic damage reducing passives, then there can be more mpen. Right now it's pretty difficult to stack Mr.

Shablagoo7/10/2017, 11:34:33 AM1 votes

item 3020 item 3151 item 3135 . Lets run down them pen boots for 1100, Liandry which not only give armor pen but does current percent health dmg perfect for tanks gets doubled when slowed. Then their is void staff which isnt BONUS mr but just straight pen. Lets also take into account that I think most champions, but yas, have a .5 mr scaling per lvl. Thats like 9 mr at lvl 18?

Oh i get ppl are going to take about how many mr options their are item 3139 item 3156 item 3814 ( which wont even have mr next patch) item 3065 item 3111 item 3194 item 3001 item 3193 item 3190 I think i missed some you can add them. So most adc's dont even buy eon, or maw which i dont know why so lets take Draven and look at his build and how much mr he has alont with scimitar cuz that almost the only mr item he builds, 12 from runes 8.5 from scaling and 35 from scimitar and 30 base = 85.5 now show the mrpen items 35% removes 29.9 so 30 or that 65.5 masteries and runes remove 13.83 so 51.67 - 30 from boots and liandrys = 21.67 mr left with all pen items. its more then enough to get through squishes, ppl dont even build all three and still destory squishies, because in most cases they dont even build mr items especially in lower ranks.

Also Magic pen is flat, while lethality scales with your targets lvl, changing next patch, they dont have boots for it, last whisper only works on bonus armor meaning its useless on ppl with no bonus armor. Also its good that you dont have a lot because its allows mages to build stacks of ap which helps a lot in the long run especially against squishes. Most champions have armor per lvl scalings, draven him self has 81.6 armor at lvl 18 along with item 3026 item 3047 thats 141 armor at lvl 18 compared to his mr build I even forgot armor runes which are only 9 armor but forget that its not even much.