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bots farming for lvl 30 accounts is getting a bit out of hand

hccpu··43 votes·4,205 views

Co-op vs AI seems rather infested. Seems every other game one of the five players is a bot. The actual riot bots are at least somewhat useful, these farm bots just run down mid and occasionally side lanes. The ones that wander are worse, at least when three go mid the dmg is contained. I just suffered through an hour long intermediate bot game. Three friendlies were bots and the fourth was either a new player or a high end script capable of some chat. The intAI team all reached full build and the game was nearly lost. I ended with 71/4/13, 578 cs, and 224,000 dmg to enemy champs. This is not reasonable for actual new players trying to get used to the game. Below lvl 30 pvp is swimming with smurfs and now the co-op Vs ai is swimming with feeding script accounts. New players are a good thing and it seems like there is not much in place to look out for them.

Is there a solution in the works or is the plan to just swat bot accounts down as you see them after the fact.

39 Comments

Fegone5 votes

I don't get it, it is so obvious who they are and so easy to detect them, there should be a just as easy way to report and immediately get rid of them. None of these should ever reach Lv 30.

Skins Project1 votes

Riot bans in waves to prevent botters from figuring out what the detection system is. Lets say it's based off how much damage you do I.E. you do less then 5k dmg and spend 90% of time midlane. Well they program bots to go somewhere else. ETC.

Riot always ALWAYS bans in waves because it makes it harder to figure out how they detect these bots.

Fegone1 votes

This is exactly how it shouldn't work though. This gives the botter enough time to get to 30 and sell the account. If it gets banned after, they don't care, they already sold it. The mechanism has to be instant. Otherwise we'll never be able to get rid of those scripted bots.

Skins Project1 votes

Players who buy it are deterred, botters are punished by going thru some sort refund/return policy with the client, also you realize a lot of botters have been shut down/sued.

Per say the elite smurfs situation http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/riot-games-league-of-legends-divinesmurfs-1202003184/

Fegone1 votes

Lol you really think botters go through a refund policy with the client if the account they illegally leveled up and illegally sold gets banned? That's a naive way of thinking my friend.

The link you posted is from Variety, a site I won't particularly accept as reputable to report on eSports. They have no idea what LoL is, as you can see in the way they write about it. Plus the website in question was allegedly selling stolen accounts, not botted accounts. Stolen accounts aren't what's ruining the ARAM and 3v3 games.

In either way, there's a lot more that needs to be done and there can be done a lot more. IF Riot decides to put some focus on this issue finally.

Skins Project1 votes

My point is riot DOES have lawsuits against these firms.

Constant bans won't help dude. They give botters information about the detection system.

Fegone1 votes

Do you have any idea how long law suits take? They laugh at those law suits, while they are still fighting in court, they make enough money to retire when Riot wins and they have to shut down. Meanwhile a new site comes up offering the exact same service. Lawsuits won't bring this to an end. Ever. Again, thinking so, is very naive. If every bot that's recognized can get banned immediately upon being seen by a legitimate player, that's the only way to shut them down. Then these companies can't get any accounts to Lv30 any more and thus won't make any money. It's not about finding out an automated detection system. Players should have the option and power to report for botting in a higher priority report category than other stuff and this problem could be solved within a month.

Skins Project1 votes

5 bots in a lobby 100% of the time.

Your system just failed.

Fegone1 votes

? Your statement makes no sense. if, IF there are 5 bots in the lobby, then what. They pick a random character, game starts, enemy team realizes 5 champs are running down lane, not saying anything, all inting. They report all 5 as bots, all 5 get banned immediately.

Show me the flaw...

Besides, if it EVER occurs that there are so many active bots out there that there are really 5 bots in the lobby matched together, Riot has a completely different problem to deal with as the one we're facing right now.

Skins Project1 votes

5 PVE?????

Fegone1 votes

So? 5 fake bots play 5 real bots. Chances of that happening are marginal, and chances of that happening twice or more times in a row are basically nonexistent. So let's keep it real and not hypothetical.

I'm not sure why you're vehemently defending the current nonexistent reporting system for bots. Unless you're doing some botting yourself, I have no idea why you wouldn't want those bots to leave the rift.

Skins Project1 votes

??????

Bots can't q up together confirmed??>

Also don't fucking accuse me of shit.

If that's your logic, perhaps your the botter who wants to find a way around the system.

Fegone1 votes

I'm talking about what the chances are that this is happening. Which are marginal and basically nonexistent. I didn't accuse you of anything, I just questioned why you're so against an improvement on the system. But maybe if that simple question gets you tilted that easily I was right with my guess after all....

Sure, I'm the botter who wants stricter rules and easier ways to detect and get rid of them. Because I hate making money off of what I do... </sarc>

I'm out, respond if you like or not, I'm done with this thread. Not worth my time any more.

PS: you're

DragonBorn844 votes

i just open a topic with the name of all the scripted bot account in coop vs ia in every daily i made , they closed the topic because naming people is bad :D good luck my friend.. me i'm done with lol for that problem who kill my fun everyday.

I suck at Jhin11 votes

"NAMING AND SHAMING".

But if you think for a second, it's a bot, it doesn't have feelings, come on now guys...

silvertoof1 votes

Exactly. They have their priorities backwards.

Honest players are punished. It doesn't pay to do things legitimately. I guess if you can't beat them, then buy one.

Cielveon3 votes

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I suck at Jhin2 votes

Puts on a tinfoil hat

There's no bots, only drunk people playing coop vs AI, kappa.

DIV1D33 votes

From what has been discussed, Riot is aware, and their reasoning is that they do bans in waves. This is meant to give less information to the people who own the Bot accounts as to how the system caught them.

In reality though, the bots are so blatantly obvious in their play patterns that banning bot accounts more frequently would just create more a nuisance for the people who own these Bot accounts and thus decrease the amount of them.

They're always going to be around though, if it's a free-to-play game than there'll be people willing to exploit the game for personal gain. With just how easy it is to do, Bot accounts just won't dissipate. The only thing that can be done is to really just increase the rate at which these accounts are banned, because making a barrier for new players to have to sit through just to remove some Bot accounts is a horrible idea.

cough CS:GO cough

However CS:GO's Prime Matchmaking would be pretty nice as an optional feature in League so that you could activate it and only play with 'Prime' players only.

I suck at Jhin1 votes

Not only that, they would have to improve bot algorithm and now it would be easier to win games instead of mid and feed kind of AI, win/win for both parties, except bots would still get reported most of the time.

Like, if a bot got banned, it's obvious that you need something more than mid and feed, doesn't matter when it gets banned, in this case the sooner the better...

reaperteaser1 votes

i personally prefer playing against real people though, cuz unless im laning against skynet or an aim bot then the bot is very predictable

I suck at Jhin1 votes

If you want to play against real people, go play normals/ranked?

The problem is bots in YOUR team, not what you're playing against.

Did you even read the post? [slayer-jinx-unamused]

reaperteaser1 votes

my bad, thought i posted in a different thread, i was pretty tired when i wrote this

Kaldorain3 votes

Simple solution that makes Rito more money. Sell level 30 accounts. The XP boosts are a joke and are not worth the money. This kills all the botters and helps make the game a better place. Simple.

As for catching them, Rito can barely catch intentionally feeders, or scripters for that matter. You expect this company to tell if someone is botting? They're probably just really new or bad at the game. Go 0/36 in a ranked game? Probably just a bad game.

Lux Is Mai Waifu3 votes

Riot likes bots because they boost the number of games played and the number of "active players" the game has. These numbers get shown to investors and advertisers (esports) and Riot can't legally lie about them. This is especially helpful in key regions like NA where the game has stopped growing. Luckily for Riot the bots in PvP queues (ARAM, 3v3) tend to get matched against each other once they hit 30 because their MMRs are all downs-tier low. This means Riot's core and most vocal fans don't usually notice there are most likely more bots than players.

hanai021 votes

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Riot likes bots because they boost the number of games played and the number of "active players" the game has. These numbers get shown to investors and advertisers (esports) and Riot can't legally lie about them. This is especially helpful in key regions like NA where the game has stopped growing. Luckily for Riot the bots in PvP queues (ARAM, 3v3) tend to get matched against each other once they hit 30 because their MMRs are all downs-tier low. This means Riot's core and most vocal fans don't usually notice there are most likely more bots than players.

I hear about league losing players but ,where can you find this information? if I'm not wrong riot doesn't provide this information.

Lux Is Mai Waifu2 votes

That's just what I hope is happening with no good evidence to show, I don't have the important information since the majority of games played each season aren't ranked and I can't find a record of them on archive.org. archive.org does show growth in ranked participation, but it appears to be slowing down. Even if you could get info on the number of normal 5v5 players it wouldn't surprise me if people were boting there too and ruining the data.

archive.org shows the number of players in ranked increasing from 1.6m in 2014 to 1.8m in 2015 and 1.9m in 2016. https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160701000000*/https://na.op.gg/statistics/tier/

You can also check google trends and see peak interest on google happened years ago for regions like NA and KR but that's not a great indicator.

TwitchInMyPants2 votes

You know if they actually bothered to ban some of these accts it'd help with general toxicity too. What usually happens to a player who's on LoL everyday when their acct is banned? They'll usually pop on an alt, and there's more incentive the closer to their main it is in content. IP farming accounts with bots is very incentivized for these types of players since they'll have more need for an account. Sure, there's players like Ranked lovers who just want to take a crack at the placement process again and not risk LP, but if you're banned you're likely to still be playing since you invested so much time into getting good at the game. Disincentivizing bots forces players to at least actually play games to grind an account up.

I suck at Jhin2 votes

So every flamer buys a new account once they get permabanned?

I guess 2 years ago I bought this one then, lol.

TwitchInMyPants1 votes

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So every flamer buys a new account once they get permabanned?

I guess 2 years ago I bought this one then, lol.

When did I say every? Its just pretty easy to do. I knew people who botted and as long as you have some kind of active text script in chat (not even that for some cases) and its incredibly easy to just let it do Twisted Treeline, especially if you have a clump of accounts. If you send 3 in they're unlikely to get reported since any actual players will be on the enemy team. You can farm up a new account, people like the challenge. I have 2 alts myself but I prefer my main since I don't want to rebuy skins/champs, I mainly used them to teach new players.

But there's sites where you can just straight up buy an account that's loaded with champs that's just been botting for ages and managed to slip by undetected. Not all of these are a result of botting but I don't imagine there's a large labor force of players grinding pre30 accounts when a bot can do it easily.

I will say if Riot was harsher on this, people would have more weight to getting an account banned since replacing it is harder than it could be. Its a strong punishment as is but just because you lose an account doesn't mean you stop playing, and not all toxic players are reformed. And not all bans are permanent either, if you get chat restricted even that might push you onto another account until you want to deal with it. I don't have numbers on it but leaving the loophole open leaves an out for players who want to actively be toxic. But then again given how someone can just run Rammus down mid and be undetected for 50+ games while building mobis + zeals that likely still isn't enough for that.

ZaneShadow1 votes

I'm up voting you for your name. :) Love it.

People not willing to learn the finer details of that very complicated champion should not touch him as they only believe they have a clue.

Oh, and don't buy accounts for a free game :D Have a good one

BahaTiger2 votes

There is a solution for this if riot insert reCAPTCHA every time yo press "Play" bots will not be able to play, reCAPTCHA is annoying I know but it still an effective solution and the players will understand that.

I played a game called "Dekaron" and it was fantastic until the bots became everywhere and I saw players leaving the game because of that I think if Riot solve this they will lose the game and the players.

Sorry for bad English XD

crzymdscntst1 votes

Report them as you see them for scripting is what I do. They both are int feeding and scripting by logic.

I also should note that some people actually monitor their automated game, so the chat can be misleading. I've seen a few people chat actively, but their gameplay is nothing short of completely automated. They casted skills in exact sequence every time with exactly the same center target of themselves, often as soon as a minion appeared. (They were Nami.) They chatted saying they weren't bots when I asked, but I was not convinced.

Riot should figure out something to this.

ivanebds1 votes

The worst thing is that someone (who is commanding these bots accounts) is selling these accounts online, and Riot doesn't do anything about it.

Sassmast3r1 votes

Last night I played as Diana jungle and had four bots on my team. We lost the game, and nobody else (except for the Jarvan who got one assist) was involved in any kills, but they died upwards of 10 times per person. Ludicrous.

MagikarpIsBoss1 votes

My friend played an intermediate bot game with 4 bots on his team that were designed to run it down continually. He actually lost the bot game because the other bots were so fed that he couldnt 1v5. My friend knows that this type of shit tends to happen, imagine this happening to a new player?

Nyshen1 votes

Had a game tonight with four bots!!!! We got decimated. It was like watching lemmings

Armored Yokai1 votes

On the optimist's side it teaches you how to carry by narrowing down who needs to be shut down

BakedLotion1 votes

lol wat... You can 1v5 bots after 10 minutes. Idk how u took an hour

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