Is Talon underpowered?

99099901DEL1·Jul 30, 2017·1 votes·866 views

Maybe it's just me, or I'm bad, but whenever I play talon, I do barely any damage. My R and W, especially. The Rakes slow is amazing, but it just does no damage, but is a great crowd control, as we all know, but whenever I try to single out an enemy (like a riven) I can only trade, not killing, and at which point they camp tower to recall. I can basically do nothing without my R ready, too.

The build I usually run is the usual ghostblade, duskblade, black cleaver, e.t.c

This also makes me feel how limited this new meta is, with nearly everyone equipping duskblade and ghostblade.

(SIDENOTE: am I the only one who thinks Jayce is so over powered it's not even funny?)

20 Comments

NoPaxtJul 30, 20172 votes

Talon is the #1 top laner according to chamion.gg

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 30, 20171 votes

Talon Top has a win rate 53.23% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Talon's are earning a win rate of 60.29% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.

LoLalytics ranks Talon at 2 amongst Top champions earning a tier grade of Challenger.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Talon, the win rate and average rank of the best Talon players.

99099901DEL1Jul 30, 20171 votes

So, how would I improve my talon skills? Do I just keep playing and playing, or is there other ways?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 30, 20171 votes

sadly like most assassins talon is feast of famine... he either gets ahead and snowballs or he does nothing

and im sure you have noticed even in games where you are stupid fed you dont win.

and just like any pick... it depends on team comps ... like you vs jayce was a bad match up... you get blasted from range, and hammered to death if you dove in.

from the op.gg it shows you have zero runes, and your masteries could be made more ideal

99099901DEL1Jul 30, 20171 votes

I don't use runes right now, as it is just too much IP for me. As of masteries, I just use videos I see online for patch 7.15. Is there a website or something like this to help me with masteries?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 30, 20171 votes

http://current.lolalytics.com/champion/Talon/

i know how you feel about runes ... but even if you were to get tier 2 runes right now it would help your damage and base stats

99099901DEL1Jul 30, 20171 votes

I'll try to focus runes and e.t.c after I get Ivern. I get what people mean with you either get fed, or do horribly. I have just had a couple games I've done really well as talon, but some games where I don't do well at all. Overall I can definitely see more games I'm doing well, where I'm improving, EXCEPT when I'm facing a Darius. How do you counter him? (And how do you counter full ap champs with talon?)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 30, 20171 votes

well if you follow the example i laid out for tier 2 runes you can get 2 pages of basic runes for 42 IP

that isnt anything and it will help greatly.

you arent gonna be darius he is to tanky and has too many tools to hurt you. he will come out ahead in trades unless he badly misplays. not a good match up.

talon is a burst assassin

vs ap champs i would suggest rushing a hex drinker into your leathality build

but as talon your job is to take out a squishy target from the fight with your full combo and escape... ideally its the adc

99099901DEL1Jul 31, 20171 votes

I got runes for him for 1 ip each, like you said.

I will take into account the hex drinker especially! And yes, now that you mention it, I remember many times roaming around the map where I can just obliterate bot lane or sometimes even mid lane.

Thank you!

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 30, 20171 votes

if you get tier 2 runes for 1 ip each a full rune page would be 30 ip

for example

9 ad reds would give 6.66 ad ( rounds to 7ad) 3 as quints 3.51% as per +10.53% as ( rounds to 11% as ) 9 armor seals will give you 7 armor 9 mr glyphs 9 mr this would be a basic ad page

an ap page 9 magic pen reds +6 magic pen 9 armor seals ( same ones you already have you can use on multiple pages) 3 ap quints 11.55ap ( rounds to 12ap) 9 mr glyphys ( same ones you already have)

so we end up 42 ip for two basic rune pages

RaoulJul 30, 20171 votes

Use this as a source, its way more reliable. http://lolalytics.com

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 30, 20171 votes

its the source i used for my comment about talons win rate and strength

CPU LyricaJul 30, 20171 votes

Well, tbh, talon is a high-skill-cap champion. plus, well, he can run away very well ahhaha.. more practice is reccomended.

99099901DEL1Jul 30, 20171 votes

Oh yes, about the E. Shouldn't talon be invulnerable while flipping? The amount of times I've been killed mid-way flipping is stupid.

AlttuJul 30, 20171 votes

invulnerable while you can legit jump over every wall in the game? just really?

99099901DEL1Jul 30, 20171 votes

Kayn does basically the same thing.

CPU LyricaJul 30, 20171 votes

He'd be a discount Kayn if he could. tbh i like it the way it is, annoying as it is.

Beas7ieJul 30, 20171 votes

Yes

He needs buffs

Well one buff specifically.

A marco needs to be attached to his E(that's his parkour right?) so that when he hops over a wall he will always automatically /all PARKOUR!

Fuh QueueJul 30, 20171 votes

Talon is a straightforward combo assassin. His abilities individually do poor damage, but when put together you did massive damage. None of his abilities are a nuke unless used together.

At level 1 your main goal is to farm and land W hits on the enemy. If they are melee you can use the slow to proc thunderlords easily.

At level 2 you spike insanely hard because now you gain access to your passive. His damage largely comes from that. Now you can either use 1 of 3 combos that change depending on your lane:

W>Q>AA>Ignite: This combo is more reactive. If you land with hits of your W then go for the Q, and you'll likely get a kill if you poked properly at level 1.

Q>AA>W>AA>ignite: this combo is a full all in, where you Q to the enemy, auto attack, land both W procs from point blank then use the slow to pop your passive. Ignite if necessary.

AA>point blank crit Q>W>AA>ignite: this combo is used against melee targets. You start with an auto attack, animation cancel it with Q, which usually throws another auto attack, then land both W Procs into the last auto for passive.

Talon is all about combos, once you learn how to tie things together, his damage I'd insane.

JayenKeiJul 30, 20171 votes

Hell no

Don't work around your abilities, work around his passive
Forcing a laner to recall gets you more gold, more lane experience and more pressure if you manage the wave properly
Learn the combos
Unless ahead, stay away from extended fights with bruisers, fighters, tanks and juggernauts. Your main job is to explode the apc and/or adc and provide aoe armor shred in a team fight.
Talon has balanced risk/reward in his calculating playstyle.
Know your powerspikes (lvl 2, 3 or 4 (depending on when you get 2 points in W), 6, 11)