Can we fix one pet peeve with minions and towers?

Tormentula·Oct 3, 2016·60 votes·3,220 views

"Minions taking tower?"

No something more game changing than that..

"Tower aggro?"

Nope, I'm talking about minions sieging tower and you getting no assist or anything for it. If minions finish off an enemy champion, you get the kill so why the hell shouldn't it give tower sieges for you in the kill feed..

Every time I try to last hit tower and a minion gets it:

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33 Comments

OleandervineOct 3, 201642 votes

Minions are seriously OP. They're in every game I see, they always have gold just running out of them, and the little bastards constantly feed, but they always force a win.

OPMINIONSFTW

Hyrum GraffOct 3, 201630 votes

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Minions are seriously OP. They're in every game I see, they always have gold just running out of them, and the little bastards constantly feed, but they always force a win.

OPMINIONSFTW

Nah, minions are actually the most balanced. Perfect 50% win ratio.

SkelenthOct 3, 20166 votes

Blue minions win, if left alone

Vistha KaiOct 3, 20166 votes

Not really. It completely depends on how they aggro each other.

KnalxzOct 3, 20169 votes

Minions should get taunts.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/unhalo/images/6/6e/Gruntdanceparty.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120117114843

Because nothing says "get rekt" quite like watching those 2 foot tall bastards drop sack on your face.

Legacy HydralphaOct 3, 20166 votes

Hey, minions need some recognition outside of killing an enemy for you and winning games.

TormentulaOct 3, 20162 votes

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Hey, minions need some recognition outside of killing an enemy for you and winning games.

But they should be the ones getting assist :(

Assist > Kills as supports riiiiigghhhttt?

Annie Zyra Lux Sona

VolcanuzOct 4, 20161 votes

I stole more kills as supp playing taric than any other support back in the day. To the point my team would say "please pick someone who doesn't steal kills"

Warlord ZudaneOct 3, 20164 votes

Well.. simple, really. Last hit on towers doesn't matter. You actually don't want it to give you credit globally if you're split pushing too. There's no bonus gold for the last hit on a tower, no assist gold, nothing. You get some gold for being nearby when it is destroyed less gold for being further away.

It Hertz When IPOct 3, 20163 votes

Post game you get a body count for structures destroyed. Might affect your rating, I dunno. If it does, this would make getting an S on some champions a lot easier.

TormentulaOct 3, 20161 votes

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Post game you get a body count for structures destroyed. Might affect your rating, I dunno. If it does, this would make getting an S on some champions a lot easier.

In all serious, idk if when a minion destroys a tower you didn't get an assist or kill on, it gives you anything in terms of post game stats and performance. Would like clarity on that subject but regardless even if it literally makes no difference in the game (in terms of gold) it still gives me a tilting feeling seeing that last 10 hp little bastard caster minion still alive in the wave taking all the credit for that tower. Considering executions don't apply if a champion was recently hit by another champion, it seems dumb that even if you're hitting the tower the same rules don't apply, it feels like lazy tech. Granted towers aren't classified as champions but even ZZ'Rot minions are programmed to have a proper kill feed for their team on structures, at least it is credited to the owner of the portal.

Hell, I'm still trying to figure out why sometimes the minion gets the credit, you don't, but your ally still somehow gets the assist on the kill feed.. it doesn't make sense how just one particular player is denied credit, minions take it, but other players still don't get credit but get the assist.

TequilaZombieOct 4, 20161 votes

Wanna know the worst part of it?

If a Shaco box take the turret, the tower is credited to the minions, not Shaco.

TormentulaOct 4, 20161 votes

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Wanna know the worst part of it?

If a Shaco box take the turret, the tower is credited to the minions, not Shaco.

I didn't even know shaco's boxes could aggro turrets. Do you mean his clone? Or is there a legitimate way to use the boxes on towers?

I know stuff like elise's spiderlings and heim's turrets still give their source owner credit.

TequilaZombieOct 4, 20161 votes

Boxes aggro on turrets and inibs. The thing is: boxes count as summoned minions and take priority before other minions, so they usually die quickly. The trick is to place them as soon as a turret focus a siege minion.

And yes, the boxes, not the clone.

Warlord ZudaneOct 4, 20161 votes

But here's the problem with it... If you are fighting another champion, it's not a big surprise you are there. But if there's a team fight that might happen near dragon and you're pushing top you certainly don't want to attract attention that YOU are there taking the turret.

Think of it. If a minion takes the turret then the enemy team's wave is pushing and since it's closer to your turret it'll start pushing back. Simply put it'll fix itself for the most part. But if a champion is pushing that minion wave then you NEED to go back to it now. So if you are a champion pushing that minion wave, then let the minions get to it, and when it's nearly dead and the minions can finish it off then back off and let them take it. Then there's a global message that a minion wave took a tower and you are already in the fog of war and the enemy can only guess to where you are.

But if we were to make it so if a champion hits in the last 5 seconds then it's an assist or kill for the champion. Then this same scenario can't work, unless you just push minions against the tower (and it goes a lot slower) without getting caught that you are at that tower dealing damage.

TormentulaOct 4, 20161 votes

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But here's the problem with it... If you are fighting another champion, it's not a big surprise you are there. But if there's a team fight that might happen near dragon and you're pushing top you certainly don't want to attract attention that YOU are there taking the turret.

Think of it. If a minion takes the turret then the enemy team's wave is pushing and since it's closer to your turret it'll start pushing back. Simply put it'll fix itself for the most part. But if a champion is pushing that minion wave then you NEED to go back to it now. So if you are a champion pushing that minion wave, then let the minions get to it, and when it's nearly dead and the minions can finish it off then back off and let them take it. Then there's a global message that a minion wave took a tower and you are already in the fog of war and the enemy can only guess to where you are.

But if we were to make it so if a champion hits in the last 5 seconds then it's an assist or kill for the champion. Then this same scenario can't work, unless you just push minions against the tower (and it goes a lot slower) without getting caught that you are at that tower dealing damage.

I mean, if the enemy team has that little map awareness to not see you splitting, I don't see the difference between you walking away and backing without notice on the kill feed and getting noticed and walking away in the time frame while a reminder shows up that you were there.

If I see a split pusher leaving, or even a tower falling I'm running up there whether minions finish it or not for wave clear or to catch them backing. If they dedicate looking for you then they catch you, but if not you're gone and even if they look for you and you still leave early enough, you're still gone and out of there.

If anything it would split the enemy team up to run top lane for example, knowing you were up there only for you to leave anyway and all they get is wave clear while there's a teamfight elsewhere without you or them.

ManiacalCoyoteOct 4, 20161 votes

Actually, last-hitting a structure is worth 3 stacks.

Warlord ZudaneOct 4, 20161 votes

Well in that case you're talking about an ability. And then if you don't land it at the right time then oh well.

iTzYaBoyJohnCenaOct 3, 20161 votes

You must be in bronze cause it's pretty easy to last hit the towers lmao

TormentulaOct 3, 201610 votes

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You must be in bronze cause it's pretty easy to last hit the towers lmao

I'm the best of the worst, a level you can't drop to or climb to.

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iTzYaBoyJohnCenaOct 4, 20161 votes

So if you wanna ever last hit those towers just build full ad look at the hp of the tower and look at your aa dmg and just hit it

ÐeceiveOct 4, 20161 votes

Uhh towers don't take full AD damage for AA's as they have armour and that buff thing

notice me Sin piOct 4, 20166 votes

keep in mind bronze takes up very significant amount of player base, and this is actually pretty serious(?) QoL problem that plagues hundreds of thousands.

iTzYaBoyJohnCenaOct 4, 20161 votes

LOL how is minions ksing your tower kill important? wtf?

TormentulaOct 4, 20161 votes

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LOL how is minions ksing your tower kill important? wtf?

What could possibly be more important?

Yasuo?

Karma?

League of legends?

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Paradise ProxyOct 4, 20161 votes

...?

who gives a shit? you get the full amount of gold. you don't need to last-hit towers anymore like it's season 3.

DraqoneOct 4, 20161 votes

You get full gold if you hit it as long as you are around, you don't need to last hit.

TequilaZombieOct 4, 20161 votes

But I like when in the post game screen shows that I've taken 6 turrets.

Warlord ZudaneOct 4, 20161 votes

But I like not having the enemy team know I'm split pushing a lane nobody is watching closely. As long as minions get credit for the towers then I don't need to worry about them getting a giant message I am there.

TequilaZombieOct 4, 20161 votes

Nah, I want them to know I'm there. How else are they going to come for me so I can waste their time?

They will learn to fear me Shaco