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An idea for how to buff Zyra without creating another Veigar incident

lakeyja900·1/3/2016, 1:14:00 AM·4 votes·871 views

I know a lot of people are talking about how Zyra's too weak and needs some buffs, and a popular idea has been to make her revive if her passive kills a champion, but I think people are asking for a little too much.

I love Zyra to death and I do think she does need a little bit of a buff, but I don't want another Veigar incident. Zyra is not a weak champion at all, she has good CC, good burst damage, good sustained damage, an amazing synergy with Rylai's, and an insanely powerful ultimate to boot. Sure, she's not as strong as other AP mid laners like Brand, Kayle, or Malzahar, but she's not weak.

As I said above, a lot of people on the boards like the idea of Zyra reviving upon killing an enemy champion with her passive, but that is a bit more than a slight buff, that would probably make her borderline broken. And since we all know Riot never reverts changes they make to champions she would just get nerfed into oblivion right after that. Sure, her passive could use either a slight damage buff or a shorter cast time, but a change that massive isn't what's needed to balance her.

What's holding Zyra back is how insanely squishy she is. This wasn't too big of a deal in season 5, but with all the damage in season 6 she quite often ends up dying before she can get her full combo off even when she's ahead. If we just give either some more health or more MR and Armor (or both) to Zyra she'll be in a good spot where she's not easily 2v1ing like she did on release, but she's not such an obscure pick anymore. Thoughts?

14 Comments

Very Hard Engage1/3/2016, 1:38:24 AM2 votes

damage = +++ (really strong when she lands everything)

mobility = - - - (ultra deficient)

utility = + + (zone and AoE knockup + AoE snare, pretty good imo)

survivability = - (can be worse if her ult is on CD, weaker than a wet paper towel when she misses her skill shot snare)

what she needs is is a slightly shorter CD on her roots, maybe a second or two. (or scaling CD per level like most other abilities) +10MS (to put her at 335), and if her win rate gets too high, then tone her damage down a bit. then she would be in a really good spot.

(need i remind people her E is a snare, not a stun, so champions can still use abilities and auto attack)

Sneakyy XD1/3/2016, 1:24:12 AM1 votes

{quoted} Zyra is not a weak champion at all

Then she doesn't need any buffs

With that said, I would like to see some power from her Q plants be shifted into her E plants.

Smooth Crimiñal1/3/2016, 1:31:19 AM1 votes

The damage I've seen Zyra output makes me think she doesn't need buffs.

TekkenPlayer1/3/2016, 2:08:11 AM1 votes

I'd say give the plants health like heimerdingers q

Aezanthya1/3/2016, 2:11:30 AM1 votes

The only buffs she needs are (choose one) : increase E missile speed. Increase her base ms. REWORK her god aweful plants IA.

I'd choose number 3 imo.

Miraweave1/3/2016, 2:59:19 AM1 votes

Zyra is completely fine, except for slightly buggy plant AI.

You people need to stop acting as if Sona and Zyra aren't incredibly powerful right now.

Abyssphere1/3/2016, 3:06:04 AM1 votes

Yeah, the suggested passive buff is not a big deal. It equates to probably less than one revive per game on average.

Aeolian Melodies1/3/2016, 1:20:16 AM1 votes

Tankiness buffs on a poke mage is more of a big deal than you seem to think.

If they were to buff her I'd suggest reducing the delay on her passive.

Troiann1/3/2016, 3:19:39 AM1 votes

You can't buff a champion who most of the time outdamages their own adc with only one damage item. You just can't.

She'd be broken as fuck again if that happened.