PBE jungle. Why is it ridiculous?

SeoSeBom·1/2/2015, 1:05:07 AM·2 votes·900 views

As a jungle and top main, I certainly do not understand why you would make all mobs in jungle hit stupidly hard and increase their health to ridiculous level. I love rengar, leesin, and elise since these three are deadly junglers who can assassinate at 90% rate if the target gets caught. But the early start of the jungle is just too much pain. I do not find any trouble with leesin and elise but for rengar it is tough, no too tough. No one would start red or blue these days in PBE yes? mostly junglers start with golems and frog (forgot its name) since they render easy level up to 2 and therefore any junglers hardly use smite on red or blue as their start. One time there was the game where I took the ap runes by mistake and my rengar could not kill the first blue or red without the smite (the smite was spent on golems and frog). Even with the proper runes, rengar consumes all 2 health potions to kill the first blue or red because he nearly dies. This is absolutely ridiculous. When melee junglers suffer from these problems, I was shocked to see that ranged champions jungle easily. I often see kayle, fiddlestick, and even twistedfate as junglers and I saw them jungling without taking red potions because the stupid AI mobs come and go then spin around in circle without hitting them. what the fuck is this? am I seeing rome 2 reference here? where units do not fight or collide on each other but choose to spin around?

I understand that this was an attempt to prevent from farming jungle with faster pace than solo top and mid lanes. But was it necessary to increase jungle mob's health and dps? I can understand the slow mob regen rate but other portions are hardly acceptable.

10 Comments

Leti the Yeti1/2/2015, 1:22:46 AM1 votes

enlighten me, what riot do this time cuz idk where people find this stuff I have finally adjusted tho the jungle as it is now and its not so bad-ish

Saevum1/2/2015, 1:34:45 AM1 votes

So... you're saying that the jungle is becoming like.. elitist?

Dyonas1/2/2015, 2:20:39 AM1 votes

Adjust your jungle route. A lot of the time I smite Krugs (Golems) for the stun then go to Raptors (Wraiths) pulling them to max range and killing the smaller ones first as their damage is stupidly high. At this point my second point is running and I'm usually just under half health with about 10~ seconds on Smite cooldown. I pull red to the bush and pound it until about 1 bar of health then smite to get health back and finish it off. Depending on who I use it's either time to back and buy for the first jungle upgrade or another trip to Raptors (Wraiths) before I have to back.

GundayMonday1/2/2015, 2:35:06 AM1 votes

You're only level 8? Must be hard to jungle without full runes/masteries (Diff account on PBE?).

Melee champs can abuse the creep leashing too, it's just a little tougher and has more room for error. Very painful if they reset to full hp by accident. Here's a vid of me standing just outside of blue buff's aggro range to dodge damage on rammus (swapped audio cuz my friend was dropping f-bombs on skype left and right):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCoGToumYE8

But yeah, Riot is TRYING to make it tougher for ganking junglers to clear early so that other types of junglers can see some play. Looks like it's working.

Sire Hippington1/2/2015, 2:36:04 AM1 votes

The attemped was mostly to reduce early ganks by giving jungler a harder time in the jungle early on, so laners actually have more impact on winning their own lane than junglers do.

However, there are still quite some jungler that can easily go for early ganks, and thus they once again crowd out the rest. For some reason, riot trys hard to get this done with overall jungle changes rather than changeing specific champions, even if it'S clearly visible that certain champions will always have a good early clear and good ganks if the rest is somewhat able to clear(meaning if a seju can just barly clear the jungle, lee will probably have still a good time. Makeing the jungler harder so lee can barly clear it would make it impossible for champions like Seju)

Also, i don't see a reason why it's bad if jungler start woth golems/frog instead of a buff, especially since smite on pbe got 2 charges, so u can simte golems and red, or frog and blue...

i also don't get why ranged champs are allowed to have such a easy time in the jungler, as if dominating in lane wouldn't be enough....

FenrirStriker1/2/2015, 10:43:33 AM1 votes

my personnal problem whit the new jungle is the buggy ai that lets certain junglers like well TF and kayle or such be able to jungle so easily whitout loosing barely any hp. i do hope they fix this.