Katarina nerfs on PBE

Reavelock·Mar 28, 2017·4 votes·1,140 views

I guess Riot is having a hard time figuring out what to do with Katarina, with the ult change, then the reversion, and now the current 4 second nerf to her E early game, but I don't think nerfing the fun fluidity in her shunpo and the amount of time it will take to reset early is the way to do it. I don't know why, but I've been feeling Riot has been trying to take away champions' early game recently. Some examples are LeBlanc with her passive down and Shaco's Q/box rework. This philosophy doesn't resonate with me however, I think Riot is sacrificing fun for balancing (if not optimal). Besides, assassins like these are highly countered in the late game, easily shut down by any cc. Do you think that assassins should be given the chance to snowball in the early game considering smart teams actually don't get caught out and have peel late game?

16 Comments

PennsMar 28, 20173 votes

I still think the damage on her spells should get nerfed and her passive buffed so that she has to hit some daggers and has some counterplay. When she isnt ahead by a lot and kills me even when I dodge every single one... somethings kind of wrong https://puu.sh/v0Wsi/65ac434682.webm

YoungSirJ0eyMar 28, 20171 votes

Except it's really not. She used her ult, you didn't, you also stood in her ult for a stupid amount of time, and while she may have missed every dagger, you missed literally everything except your W. You deserved to lose there.

PennsMar 28, 20171 votes

Her daggers are supposed to be her main damage tool and she missed all 3 there, which is 750 (+ 300% AP) damage, I only missed my ult and like 300 dmg from Q.

This happens every time against Kat too. She loses lane because you outplay her, then later she all ins you, hits her point and click Q, a few point and click Es and autos with AD from Gunblade, ~1s of her ult + Ignite and suddenly youre dead despite dodging everything you can.

YoungSirJ0eyMar 28, 20171 votes

Your ult, which would be around 1k damage, 300 damage from Q, 500+ from E, and another 200-300 on Protobelt, not to mention all the Lich Bane procs you didn't use. You missed far more damage than her.

And that sounds like your fault. Maybe if you focused less on dodging and more on killing her, that wouldn't happen so much. Unless, of course, you're lying, and you lose lane to Kat constantly.

PennsMar 28, 20171 votes

My E hit and I didnt even have Sheen or Lich Bane, I missed 800 from max range ult, 300 from Q and 200 or whatever from Protobelt if you count that. She, with the same amount of AP, missed 1500 from her daggers and around 800 from her ult. And she still overkilled me through a item 1057 so..

YoungSirJ0eyMar 29, 20171 votes

You didn't have Sheen or Lich Bane at level 16 as Fizz.

And you expected to win.

And she probably had a Void Staff, then.

Also, if your ult did 800 damage, you had 250 AP. If you had 250 AP, you deserved to lose. I guarantee she had at least 50 AP on you.

BakedLotionMar 28, 20171 votes

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Her daggers are supposed to be her main damage tool and she missed all 3 there, which is 750 (+ 300% AP) damage, I only missed my ult and like 300 dmg from Q.

This happens every time against Kat too. She loses lane because you outplay her, then later she all ins you, hits her point and click Q, a few point and click Es and autos with AD from Gunblade, ~1s of her ult + Ignite and suddenly youre dead despite dodging everything you can.

well if shes living after "a few point and click Es and autos and 1 sec of her ult + ignite" I think you're doing something wrong like being out of position or having a braindead team

ReavelockMar 28, 20171 votes

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I still think the damage on her spells should get nerfed and her passive buffed so that she has to hit some daggers and has some counterplay. When she isnt ahead by a lot and kills me even when I dodge every single one... somethings kind of wrong https://puu.sh/v0Wsi/65ac434682.webm

You did kinda play that horribly wrong though.. if you had just damaged her instead of trying to run from her resets from fiora and dagger pickups, you woulda won that.

PennsMar 28, 20171 votes

How am I supposed to damage her when theres a dagger on the ground that does like 600 dmg tho lol

YoungSirJ0eyMar 28, 20172 votes

Why yes, Riot has been trying to take away assassin earlygames. Know why? They're not fun to play against. Fizz's level 2 cheese, Kat's level 2 cheese, Talon's level 2 cheese, they're all annoying as fuck and generally bullshit, forcing you to burn flash at a minimum, thus guaranteeing you won't have it for their level 6 powerspike. And why are you complaining about Kat lategame? She is literally the best assassin in the game for teamfights.

SwiftKitten88Mar 28, 20172 votes

right god forbid she has even a 1 second window when u can land a skillshot on her without her having shunpo up..

this is the nerf she has needed for a VERY long time..

ReavelockMar 28, 20171 votes

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right god forbid she has even a 1 second window when u can land a skillshot on her without her having shunpo up..

this is the nerf she has needed for a VERY long time..

To be fair it already has a long cooldown early and it has a slight delay when she casts it. And it is only always up if you let her constantly go to her daggers without zoning her off them.

BunnymapMar 28, 20171 votes

I don't think Leblanc ever got her passive nerfed. Her W was just killed.

Hyrum GraffMar 28, 20171 votes

I think that games ending faster is generally a good thing, but that means in order to avoid a stomp it's important to cut down on how hard champs can snowball. Otherwise, every game feels like it's over at 8 min.

Bouncemaster ZacMar 30, 20171 votes

Kat having her early game taken away is an objectively good thing. Her early is way too easy and oppressive for how hard she snowballs and the fact that she's THE teamfight assassin as opposed to every other assassin being built for 1v1.

ReavelockMar 30, 20171 votes

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Kat having her early game taken away is an objectively good thing. Her early is way too easy and oppressive for how hard she snowballs and the fact that she's THE teamfight assassin as opposed to every other assassin being built for 1v1.

She still needs her team to do damage, she is made for cleaning up. And she actually has to work for her early damage, considering all of it is HIGHLY telegraphed.