when you """"Reworked"""" Darius????
I was playing 
and I ulted him so he loses 40% armor/mr then proceed to kill both their carries (
). I finish off the support then Darius just kills our full team "earning" a pentakill...............................And its not just once that happened.
Now that the bleed is physical dmg he can proc 
like crazy.
What was the purpose of the changes for Darius?!?
RiotRiotRepertoir9 votesWhat was the purpose of the changes for Darius?!?
To make him a real threat that had to be seriously dealt with. He may be a bit too strong at the moment, but our long term goal for the character is that if you don't make the effort to avoid getting 5-stacked or kite him out of 5-stack, there's a high chance he'll clean up the whole fight.
RogueWill3 votesThe thing is Darius can still kill someone with his ult (even with 0 stacks) and then the Noxian Might kicks in completely and sometimes is just one player out of position
WarlockLaw1 votesIf he kills somebody at zero stacks they were probably going to die anyway. His ult's base is reasonably low at 100/200/300 + 75% bonus ad. If he ults somebody who has zero stacks then he probably could have killed them a auto > w as well. Also I'd say his Noxian might passice is fairly balanced as in teamfights I usually don't trigger it until I ult kill somebody as he can't stick to somebody long enough to auto them 4 times (once with a reset/slow). Yes he is strong but he is still weaker than Fiora and Garen which aren't getting nearly as many QQ threads that I've seen.
RogueWill1 votesThe thing is Garen has always been about the same strong as it is right now, all of his damage was left unchanged unless you are the villain, that's why people aren't complaining as much, he is strong but he always has been strong he just became popular.
You are right, they probably would have died anyway but the fact that they died from your ult opens up your passive which en up on a 5stack Q on your team and it feels cheap. I don't mind the new passive as long as work as intended, kite darius or you will cry later.
Slamurai Jack5 votesPeople just aren't used to the idea that champions can be really tanky and still carry a team through their damage. These guys just haven't faced a fed Mundo or Volibear in far too long, I think.
OnanThaMan1 votesI will agree on Volibear, built him full tank and got fed as hell, at one point the enemy jinx typed in all chat "what the hell are you?" as i proceeded to dive her under turrets and kill her while maintaining 40% health.
Vegas Dad2 votes[{quoted}](name=Slamurai Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxHiqV5a,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2015-09-04T09:13:28.104+0000)
People just aren't used to the idea that champions can be really tanky and still carry a team through their damage. These guys just haven't faced a fed Mundo or Volibear in far too long, I think.
Sorry you are a retard if you thinking being tanky and dealing huge damage is remotely balanced hey let's give vayne 400 armor 200 mr and 5k hp for base stats them when you complain we can explain you just aren't used to a tanky adc you Can't kill that rapes your entire team
Slamurai Jack1 votes[{quoted}](name=Vegas Dad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxHiqV5a,comment-id=000700010001,timestamp=2015-09-04T22:06:42.787+0000)
Sorry you are a retard if you thinking being tanky and dealing huge damage is remotely balanced hey let's give vayne 400 armor 200 mr and 5k hp for base stats them when you complain we can explain you just aren't used to a tanky adc you Can't kill that rapes your entire team
I win when I play against them. You clearly don't. The juggernaughts are strong, no doubt, but they're hardly the broken monstrosities that people seem to think they are. I don't ban them, I didn't ban Sated Devourer junglers, and I didn't Cinderhulk junglers before that. The OP's of the day have been massively overrated the entire season and you would be better served by learning how to beat them rather than just permabanning then and crying OP.
Miraweave1 votes[{quoted}](name=Slamurai Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxHiqV5a,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2015-09-04T09:13:28.104+0000)
People just aren't used to the idea that champions can be really tanky and still carry a team through their damage. These guys just haven't faced a fed Mundo or Volibear in far too long, I think.
That's because the idea that a champion can be extremely tanky and still do massive damage isn't balanced.
Slamurai Jack1 votesI don't see how it's any more unbalanced than doing massive damage while being impossible to reach like a Lux or Xerath or doing massive damage while being enormously slippery like Vayne or Kalista.
Very Hard Engage6 votesTo make him a real threat that had to be seriously dealt with. He may be a bit too strong at the moment, but our long term goal for the character is that if you don't make the effort to avoid getting 5-stacked or kite him out of 5-stack, there's a high chance he'll clean up the whole fight.
except he isnt "cleaning up" hes literally putting out more damage than a carry with exclusively 1 damage item and being a tank.
go on, check that "damage dealt to champions" after a game with darius in it.
Brascus1 votesTo make him a real threat that had to be seriously dealt with. He may be a bit too strong at the moment, but our long term goal for the character is that if you don't make the effort to avoid getting 5-stacked or kite him out of 5-stack, there's a high chance he'll clean up the whole fight.
He doesn't feel consistent at all though, he counters and gets countered far too hard, the other "juggernauts" don't really have this problem.
Baddest Hooker1 votesAlright I see your point but its almost impossible to kite him with so many items giving him speed boost and giving tankyness at the same time
Why is it that bleed deals physical dmg? Now he can proc like crazy...
Only Play Darius1 votesThen don't kite him, have someone on your team peel him then you can DPS him to nothing, he is still terrible in teamfights.
Maybe Riot's been spoonfeeding you so you don't know how the game is supposed to work, but an ADC being able to 100-0 a champion, regardless of role, 1v1 simply by walking backwards is not healthy design (fuck Vayne) and lacks in counterplay for anyone without a targeted gapcloser along with enough damage to kill the ADC before they open the gap again.
And if you're in an elo where people don't peel for their ADC, well then sucks to suck go play Mordekaiser.
Baddest Hooker1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxHiqV5a,comment-id=000700040000,timestamp=2015-09-04T21:59:24.860+0000)
Then don't kite him, have someone on your team peel him then you can DPS him to nothing, he is still terrible in teamfights.
Maybe Riot's been spoonfeeding you so you don't know how the game is supposed to work, but an ADC being able to 100-0 a champion, regardless of role, 1v1 simply by walking backwards is not healthy design (fuck Vayne) and lacks in counterplay for anyone without a targeted gapcloser along with enough damage to kill the ADC before they open the gap again.
And if you're in an elo where people don't peel for their ADC, well then sucks to suck go play Mordekaiser.
In order to peel from Darius we have to focus all our abilities only to save the adc, and thats only if the adc hasn't been pulled already. Meanwhile their carries are killing us all... Dealing a lot of dmg while being tanky and having the ability to clean up fights---> That isn't "Terrible in teamfights"
Elo has nothing to do in this discussion. If you are going to give arguments like that then don't reply.
SexySoapTurtle2 votesTo make him a real threat that had to be seriously dealt with. He may be a bit too strong at the moment, but our long term goal for the character is that if you don't make the effort to avoid getting 5-stacked or kite him out of 5-stack, there's a high chance he'll clean up the whole fight.
A bit
Toxic Samurai3 votesTo make him a real threat that had to be seriously dealt with. He may be a bit too strong at the moment, but our long term goal for the character is that if you don't make the effort to avoid getting 5-stacked or kite him out of 5-stack, there's a high chance he'll clean up the whole fight
Personally I think dead man's plate or anything juggeranuts usually buy that gives movement speed should be reworked. Honestly Juggeranuts shouldn't have mobility or much of it. That's the point of juggernauts of course. That aside, I will say that Darius was the best juggernaut rework of the 3 juggernauts. He doesn't have any gap closers in his kit so he pretty much has to walk up to everyone to get going but he now does a crap lot of damage even when building tank. This actually makes it very scary when he goes to flank and you're trying to back off but now Darius is behind you and his team in front of you. And now that Darius is actually a threat in teamfights people will be scared instead of just thinking "eh Darius is too squishy, he'll just blow up" or "Darius does no damage, just ignore him".
Troy2426211 votesTo make him a real threat that had to be seriously dealt with. He may be a bit too strong at the moment, but our long term goal for the character is that if you don't make the effort to avoid getting 5-stacked or kite him out of 5-stack, there's a high chance he'll clean up the whole fight.
That has always been, and still is, a pretty poor concept. Either he can access this fantasy and annoys everyone or cannot and is weak. That just screams binary.
Chikenmanz30001 votesI know this isn't the right place but Riot people but people reported me for wanting to finish a game we lost.
IcyPepper6 votesprobably Graves's cigar.
It had to go somewhere.
Baddest Hooker1 votesLoooL
Gixia3 votesIn other words, you completely ignored him throughout the fight. The reason why he was reworked was specifically to make it so you can't do that anymore, or else he'll ramp up into carry mode now.
Baddest Hooker1 votesSo now we have to focus the tank and leave the backline alone?
Gixia2 votesNo, what you have to do is not disregard him entirely and give him free reign to just do whatever he wants. Darius (and Garen/Skarner/Morde) now fall into the same category as Nasus. Most tanks do their job by being CC machines. Since none of those champs can be a CC machine, they have to be a threat to do their job. This means if they get to you and stick to you for a while, you WILL die. You either CC them or you kite them, since they need a few moments to get going and they can't ramp up their damage if they can't get into melee range. And if you can't do either of those things, then yes, you have to focus them while lamenting the fact that your team comp is kind of awful.
3TWarrior2 votesgood luck man...at least you have a proper internet connection XD
I haven't gotten to face one yet :( but I still think master yi and etc with sated devourer are worse
Onegarion2 votesI've actually gotten use to most sated jungler by now. Doesnt' mean they are any less annoying, but kind of how they work and they don't bother me as much at least for being sated. But when Daruis can sit in the middle of a team and heal like no tomorrow I have a problem. I'm honestly surprised I haven't seen more 
on them for the massive heal boost
xxxMadLionxxx2 votesYea he is scary asf. I stay far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far away from him
Brascus1 votesBC?
Baddest Hooker1 votesBlack cleaver
Brascus2 votesOh
Well if you remember to use movement you too could beat Darius
Baddest Hooker1 votesEvery time we get him low he heals himself back up. As an AD bruiser, we dont access to grievous wound. With black cleaver and the new armor item, kiting is not an option anymore
Brascus1 votesEvery time we get him low he heals himself back up. As an AD bruiser, we dont access to grievous wound. With black cleaver and the new armor item, kiting is not an option anymore
You make it sound like his Q is a 100% heal + immunity to CC. Darius is great at punishing teams that don't co-ordinate, or do so poorly, also he doesn't get the heal if you're too close to him, he has no escapes and only gains movement speed buffs late game through items.
Darius is a janitor, you had already lost the fight if he's rolling skulls.
Creamy Eevee1 votes
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those two should let you outrun him even if he flashes you people need to learn how to properly use ghost stead of depending on flash or w/e else have you
Baddest Hooker2 votesI dont think you understand what is the problem here. He keeps healing all the dmg we deal and he is able to solo our team while removing 30% armor with bleed...
Creamy Eevee1 votesI dont think you understand what is the problem here. He keeps healing all the dmg we deal and he is able to solo our team while removing 30% armor with bleed...
your team was clumped their fault then
Baddest Hooker2 votesHis Q heals more than Trundle's ultimate and deals aoe damage. Doesnt matter what the circumstances are, its not acceptable.
Lovelle3 votesI dont think you understand what is the problem here. He keeps healing all the dmg we deal and he is able to solo our team while removing 30% armor with bleed...
I play Trundle quite a bit. I can safely say that Darius heals more than him now. His Q's sustain is pretty equivalent to Trundle's Subjugate healing, only the sustain is increased when there are more enemies around. Also, he doesn't have the weakness of having to auto to get his sustain. I like to consider Trundle a balanced champion and in comparison Darius is not balanced right now. His sustain should be nerfed or removed from his Q, his damage scaling is too high to get that kind of sustain for free.
Archon X1 votesMaybe if you reduce someone's armor and mr... attack that person instead of literally everyone else?
Baddest Hooker1 votesIf I focus Darius, he will heal even more and their adc/mid will kill us all if Darius has not done it yet
MLDzXnRRR1 votesYou need really high burst dmg - some kind of AP assasin - I think that only Diana, Ekko and Fizz are popular now.
360D3GR3SS1 votesJust an fyi, it is half armor stolen over the duration meaning 20%. It also probably means your team did literally nothing to hit him. Because there is literally no way an entire team cannot kill darius in a short time span. IT means you were spread out and had several skirmishes going at once.
Baddest Hooker1 votesIts possible when Darius builds full tank to survie and still be able to deal a lot of dmg even kill the backline. If I compare him to , building full dmg Trundle means that I will slow and reduce AD from the adc but I wont be able to deal a lot of dmg. It is unfair
0sergo1 voteshow about a link to the match stats
Potato Doc1 votesIm just going to leave this here, because I agree with everything said in this reddit post.
DeynaTaggerung1 votesJust because you lost to a champ doesn't make him ABSOLUTELY GOOBER OP. He might be on the strong side(I wouldn't be in a position to know) but teamfights have a lot of variables and it's more likely things just lined up for him to utilize his strengths better. So instead it'd be better to look at how you and your team could have better played out the fight.