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Trundle is getting nerfed?!?

Baddest Hooker·12/9/2015, 12:58:02 AM·28 votes·4,833 views

My main champion is getting nerfed?? The perfect counter to is getting nerfed? One of the only champs that was always seen like balanced since the rework is getting nerfed? First the Bortk nerf, then the Triforce nerf(Yeah crits are not OP on Trolls) now the mana costs up and the ult cd up??

Right now can survive against most OP meta champs but has to manage his mana pool. Please at least explain the nerfs!

Edit: I feel like most of the people here don't actually play the troll king and don't understand that he isn't a lane bully because of the mana costs. Using W and E offensively means that you leave yourself vulnerable to the jungler. Trundle has to catch up to deal damage so he will be forced to buy a mana item( / ).That means he will have to get health elsewhere so tank Trundle will be the only viable option unless he gets fed. Oh and btw Trundle is a tank killer. You can't complain about something he was reworked to be just because the meta favors him.

54 Comments

Lost In Time12/9/2015, 7:57:19 AM8 votes

pretty sure Trundle will still have no problems fighting Riven with these nerfs.

His sustain is the same, his Q is the same, his W is the same and all they hit was the CD of his ultimate so he doesn't automatically have it up every time someone comes back to lane.

Death by Glamour12/9/2015, 1:04:40 AM7 votes

Trundle is currently one of those op champions you talk about.

Solely because he can make a tank killable with r

junglerboy1612/9/2015, 1:21:17 AM6 votes

He's OP as a support right now simply because he has a strong base kit that allows him to capitalize on the broken "1 hyper tank + 3-4 damage champs" meta that exists right now. These nerfs are targeted at his capability to A) be a viable support, and B) eliminate an enemy tank's presence while effectively becoming twice the tank they are.

Trundle right now is too strong without items (sad as that is) and they are trying to nerf his success case. They really need to compensate him as a solo-lane and jungler, but support trundle is over the top.

They need to buff his personal synergy with having items (either through better scalings but only for bonus AD or possibly by giving him some other types of multipliers instead). His kit is so effectively self contained that he can operate independently of his gold income and still function excessively effectively.

SaltyKracka12/9/2015, 2:49:15 AM5 votes

56% win rate, bruh.

Owltears12/9/2015, 9:17:21 AM4 votes

I'm thinking Riot is thinking in LCS Playz and junk. They don't want someone to hurt their precious LCS babies by being able to counter them cough cough Fiora Darius Yasuo

I've seen trundles tank fiora AND yasuo at the same time and kill them both before they butchered Fiora into a Lose lose Fiora's fed simulator I think these nerfs should go to fiora or riven or yas not Trundle who is perfectly balanced imo. He can go tank, or ad and tank ad and kick butt! Now this will hurt him worse then the 3 ad nerf to vayne

Squidblimp12/9/2015, 6:15:03 AM3 votes

He won't be able to spam that huge Ice Pillar AoE slow over and over now. He'll have to use it at the right time now.

The Bearded Bard12/9/2015, 1:39:45 AM3 votes

Not going to break your mana budget too hard, I'd be more concerned about his ult actually having a cooldown now.

Velasan12/9/2015, 3:38:39 AM3 votes

The issue with any of these statements concerning trundle is that trundle actually has to catch and chase people to do anything. He can't dash around the map, doesn't have any other form of mobility than a minor speed buff only over his own areas of frost, and no hard cc.

Basically, his whole kit power is pile drived into that R and his ability to take stats.

It might be that the meta is making him strong right now, but then you could argue it's the meta and not trundle. I mean, didn't we see the same thing during the cinderhulk era? We thought trundle would be OP with tanks everywhere... nope.

Really, it's the new masteries making him all of a sudden a lot more appealing... and I'm ok with that.

Lee sin has been good for how long for example? Trundles ability to make plays are based off that R and so on. He can't just round house kick the enemy into their team.

So, if he has too much power for his budget I don't know where it's coming from. Being a great 1v1 duelist is trundles main thing.

I see a lot of posts here going, "but trundle steals all the tanks stats and makes them killable and then he's a tank!"... but this is what trundle is supposed to do! This is what makes trundle the troll we all know and smash faces with. If he doesn't do that.. then.. what is he doing exactly?

Sire Hippington12/9/2015, 5:07:19 AM3 votes

I think the ult cd nerf is justifyed, he can outduel anyone with ease when it's upm so giving opponents a bigger window to fight the troll once they disengaged his ult seems pretty fair. And one can't deny that trundle always was a good pickl, and now is a bit over the top due to meta shifts and masterie/item changes(he was pretty strong ever since the juggernaut patch imo, way stronger than garen and darius at that time for sure)

However, the mananerfs hit the wrong spot and will just make playing trundle painfull if they have any effect at all. I think between the deadman's nerf, tank masterie nerfs and the ult cd, he should be in a fine spot again, no need to attack his mana. And if he stays to strong, the ad steal from q or the amount of health/defstats stolen by his ult would be better points to nerf him that don't feel as bad when playing trundle. Running oom is just about the worst feeling that can happen in lol, especially on a rather imobile melee with no ranged poke, which leads to the question why he actually is gated by mana at all...

And i really hope they realise that new trinity is bullshit and opt for another solution, bulding either of stinger or recursive bow instead of zeal...

Rufus Crabmiser12/9/2015, 4:37:38 AM2 votes

Right now can survive against most OP meta champs but has to manage his mana pool. Please at least explain the nerfs!

because he's one of the most op meta champs

currently ranked as the 2nd best top champ on champion.gg

Inbred Incel12/9/2015, 3:47:53 AM2 votes

no we getting trolled

Transgressor12/9/2015, 10:12:29 AM2 votes

Pretty sure Trundle was never considered balanced, ever.

He's always been THE STRONGEST duelist in the game; pop all your spells on a single target and start smacking their head off. The amount of adding damage and overbearing sustain surpashes Warwick's tenfold, granting him IMMENSE lategame power. And thanks to the nature of his kit, being kited is not that much of an issue compared to Darius, Warwick, Garen, Nasus without cdr, generally all the fighters that thrive from sustained duels.

The only champion in the game that can match his sustain is Aatrox, and he is in a horrible spot for quite ALOT of patches, not to mention he still gets outscaled by Trundle anyway. Given you're supposedly a Trundle main, I expect your view to be pretty skewed/biased, so I won't really bother much further.

Dominick Destine12/9/2015, 12:31:49 PM2 votes

Trundle nerfed. Riven buffed. Yasuo ignored. Lee ignored.

Yep, that's Riot alright.

Davy Crockett12/10/2015, 2:36:50 AM2 votes

I play trundle more often than not... and I hate the ulitmate changes. I say the proposed cooldown duration on his ult is unwarranted without an explanation. I should mention that the recommended item now inclueds Trinity Force, which is a terrible item on Trundle (Sheen doesnt proc very efficiently on him). Trundle is a huge duelist especially vs tanks, and if fed, can 1v1 adcs. I really want context on these changes too.

Yordle Xayah12/15/2015, 2:27:06 AM2 votes

Obviously he is way overpowered like Karthus and Swain . Must do the nerfs ASAP, before poor weak champions like Fiora and lose their chance to fight these OP monsters.

Retillin12/9/2015, 2:06:03 PM1 votes

He stops too many dashes/movements to be allowed to be strong. His pillar is really strong vs a lot of mobility, and as we see a hard counter to mobility gets punished.

I Miss Cannon12/9/2015, 12:03:53 PM1 votes

Trundle is disgustingly broken since many patches now.

I7A6X2v212/9/2015, 8:08:24 PM1 votes

He is getting nerfed because some stupid LCS kids started to play him support and even if they did not do well with him, the stupid followers copied (as always)... That's why he is getting nerfed.

EndlessSorcerer12/9/2015, 12:38:59 PM1 votes

Pillar of Ice (E): Mana cost increased to 70/75/80/85/90 from 60 at all ranks Subjugate (R): Cooldown increased to 110/90/80 from 80/70/60 [?], Mana cost increased to 100 from 75

Honestly, these don't really bother me. I typically max E last (though I'll max it second for utility occasionally) and the mana cost increase on his ultimate is minimal. If you have a single mana item (I like Frozen Heart, personally), then it shouldn't really affect it. It won't be an issue until you start maxing E anyways, by which point you should have enough mana to sustain its use.

Considering he received the autoattack range buffs in the previous patch, I don't mind this nerf.