revert assassins back to 6.21

The 14th Angel·Jan 11, 2017·8 votes·574 views

please.

16 Comments

Dank MemesterJan 11, 20173 votes

What's your argument? The assassins are much healthier now as a class and actually considerable picks compared to the power of mages in the current meta.

The 14th AngelJan 11, 20172 votes

syndra, nuff said.

Dank MemesterJan 11, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=The 14th Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AvysRJA9,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-01-11T19:30:12.155+0000)

syndra, nuff said.

Syndra is a mage and actually pretty balanced with the new 7.1 patch being released.

The 14th AngelJan 11, 20171 votes

it was just released, how do you know its balanced. when you may have only had one game with her. and have no supportive evidence that she is balanced.

Dank MemesterJan 11, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The 14th Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AvysRJA9,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-11T19:38:01.624+0000)

it was just released, how do you know its balanced. when you may have only had one game with her. and have no supportive evidence that she is balanced.

How do I know it's balanced because your main complaint about syndra is probably just her ult damage. To those of us in higher elos we know the issue is really how much her full Q-Q-Q-W-E-Q-R combo does with this is should make it much easier to avoid the stun from her e if she can't just throw three balls at you.

TheOnlyJoeJan 11, 20171 votes

And the main thing, she can't just R to one-shot you as easily. She has to prepare now and can't just refresh 3 balls instantly

PennsJan 11, 20171 votes

How is Fizz healthier tho?

Dank MemesterJan 11, 20171 votes

{quoted}

How is healthier tho?

Fizz has his issue and it's only with his max range ults hit box. When the fully clarify and fix the current hit box he will return to being his sub optimal assassin choice.

PennsJan 11, 20171 votes

Thats why Im saying just revert his rework.. how is he supposed to be healthy with that kit and either oneshot or do nothing and wait playstyle lol. Like why punish a melee assassin for using his ult in melee range? xd

Dank MemesterJan 12, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Thats why Im saying just revert his rework.. how is he supposed to be healthy with that kit and either oneshot or do nothing and wait playstyle lol. Like why punish a melee assassin for using his ult in melee range? xd

Punish a melee assassin for using his engagement tools as a finisher is a great way to balance a melee assassin. I really don't think you know the thought process put in with the assassin reworks.

PennsJan 12, 20171 votes

I doubt there was a thought process behind the Fizz rework lel. How is he getting punished for using his engagement tools as a finisher? Or when did he use his ult as "finisher"? The only way new Fizz can work as assassin is if he can ult, oneshot with WQ and get out with E but thats almost never the case and even then its unreliable af.

Dank MemesterJan 12, 20171 votes

{quoted}

I doubt there was a thought process behind the Fizz rework lel. How is he getting punished for using his engagement tools as a finisher? Or when did he use his ult as "finisher"? The only way new Fizz can work as assassin is if he can ult, oneshot with WQ and get out with E but thats almost never the case and even then its unreliable af.

There was thought process on his ult change. The idea behind it is now fizz becomes punished when getting forced into close range combat without him engaging or him being able to disengage multiple people off of him with a single ult. Plus he works very well as an assassin all you need to do is properly build him. You can use your e in an aggressive manner if you properly optimize your items with item 3157 and item 3152 .

PennsJan 12, 20171 votes

Thats stupid tho, he should at least get compensation for not being able to counter engages but he didnt at all. His ult is worse and his W is worse, Q and E only got small cd/mana cost buffs. They said they wanted to give us a "reason to use ult from higher ranges, not just point blank". That doesnt mean make it useless if you manage to get on top of a ranged champ as melee assassin, does it? You just cant always snipe someone from 1000+ range just to do the same damage you would have before the rework anyway.

Obviously he pretty much needs Zhonyas to function but after the E cooldown nerf its hard to get in and out even with Zhonyas.

AstôlfoJan 11, 20171 votes

PFFFFT. They are complete worthless useless fucking trash now as assassins. Sure, LeBlanc and Katarina are strong, but not at assassinating. And that's only because they've become more like mages. And if you think anything otherwise, you're completely delusional.

Dank MemesterJan 12, 20171 votes

{quoted}

PFFFFT. They are complete worthless useless fucking trash now as assassins. Sure, LeBlanc and Katarina are strong, but not at assassinating. And that's only because they've become more like mages. And if you think anything otherwise, you're completely delusional.

"Completely worthless." Okay man whatever you say but yes they are weak but it's not because of their kits. It's 100% because of the meta and how their prime assassination target already dies to everyone else on their team.

UltîmaJan 11, 20172 votes

Katarina became a much more interesting champion, meanwhile Leblanc and Talon have gained additional balance levers while having much of their unhealthy play-pattern removed. Armour pen has been reworked to stop being a snowball mechanic and being spammed on classes that were not meant to use it. Stealth was also systematically changed so that vision control is more consistent and manageable.

Can you please explain why those things should be changed? Because it seems like they're all benifiting the game in the long run.