I was wondering what riot would do to nerf el numero uno adc. Even though they just nerfed him, it's probably not enough. I had a thought, what does the community think about adding a cooldown to lucian's passive? Since right now he can E proc, Q proc, W proc and his E is basically back up again. This could be an interesting way to balance him without altering who he is as a champion, or without shutting him off
I'm so sick of seeing lucian in literally every single game.
lucian is bullshit but you can't add a cooldown to his passive, it's too essential to how it feels to play lucian.
I don't think nerfing Lucian more is the right course of action. Lets look back to early season 4 where Elise was the queen of the jungle, she then received 3 consecutive nerfs during the season, now she's never played and outclassed by almost every jungler. My point is, nerfing the "top tier" of any role will not fix anything. If Lucian gets nerfed, we will see a new "top tier" ADC that will be played in every game. The whole "whack-a-mole" nerfing strategy has not worked and will not work in the future.
Removing crit from his passive would be very nice. Had a game a few days ago where my bot lane fed Lucian. He had an IE at 8 minutes. Thanks to his stupid passive he then proceeded to 1 shot me once he and his support roamed mid. It was not fun.
I mean I know when someone's fed you expect them to do well but Lucian is one of those champs that just snowballs too much. Q-AA for a lot of damage, use R for massive poke (when fed) and then E away from any skillshot CC that might pin him down for a second. Ugh.
Make him white. GG
Hell no, it would destroy his gameflow. I think right now he'S actually rather balanced, but if i were to nerf him, i would simply remove crit from his passive, so he truely becomes a ad-caster. The fact that a champion whose gameplay is designed around an AA-Skill-AA-Skill-pattern doesn't rush sheen or trinity but rather an IE+Yomuuns or shiv tells u something.
what does the community think about adding a cooldown to lucian's passive?
The community wants it very much. This means it is probably a bad idea. The community always wants to nerf by taking the thing that makes a champion work and gutting it. Not much interesting in preserving gameplay.
He may be too strong, but just adding a cooldown to the passive is a silly fix. It's just a way of artifically limiting his burst potential while inadvertantly limiting his gameplay. If you're so worried about his level 2 burst, just make the passive or Q damage weaker in the early game. Make the second hit 25%, 37.5%, 50% at levels 1, 6, 11, or just lower early Q damage. Or, if we want to leave him a lane bully, lower his damage scaling or lower base attack speed. Any of these solve problems without screwing the design.
Riot has actually addressed this and they've said it is something they have no plans to do, because it would fundamentally alter him. He's about slinging spells together. Requiring him to place delays in between his casts screws that entire design. It not only makes him weaker, it makes him massively less fun and completely fucks the "cast spells rapidly for more E mobility" gameplay.
make his passive not be able to crit, fixed
Based on the patch notes, I'd say they're nerfing his Q range eventually (hopefully). It probably took a little longer and didn't make it into 4.19 because they had to remake all the particles and everything, instead of just changing some numbers like they did with his other nerfs (and hopefully they're looking into reworking a bit more on his kit. Some Reds have been talking about lane bullies, one listed Draven as a healthy example, where he deals a ton of damage and can outtrade, but his positioning is very telegraphed which allows for counterplay).
Yes
If they were to add a cooldown to his passive,it'd make for much fairer trading vs him early game especially.If they would remove the crit off of his second auto completely,I'd probably cry a little from happiness.
After using an ability, Lucian's next autoattack within 6 seconds will strike twice.
The second shot deals 100% of Lucian's bonus AD (deals 150% AD to minions and monsters), cannot critically strike, but can apply on-hit effects. If the target is killed before the second shot can go off, the second shot will automatically shoot at something else.
Lucian just has no risk, there's no outplaying him. When he fights you he knows he's going to out trade you. When he dashes in he knows he won't miss, you just press buttons and proc your passive.
Honestly He DESERVES those nerfs, literally no hope of ever trading with him once he hits lvl 2-3, his passive procs cd off his E and his burst is stupid strong. Also his passive can freaking double crit, if rito takes off the double crit or give his passive a cool down then he would be truly balanced
increase his mana costs/cds thats about all i can think of to nerf him without dumpstering him
This could be an interesting way to balance him without altering who he is as a champion
but this kinda IS who he is as a champion he is the adc who spamms skills to empower his autos add a cooldown to that and he will feel like empowered short range ezreal
learn to play better? his range is only 500, the lowest of ANY adc. if you are stupid enough to stay in range then you get rekt. its pretty simple. any semi mobile adc can move out of the way. and dont complain about the dash either, a quick cc and he cant keep up. he WAS op when he had a free cleanse on his dash but thats long gone. you guys just see OMG Q E W COMBO and start flipping out. start thinking about WHY hes beating you. you have horrible positioning and are getting rekt.
The nerf didn't target what was problematic about him... What problematic is his god damn passive combined with extra on hit damage like from Lulu or Janna.
It places him where he needs to be as a close range adc. He has long range poke sure, but it shouldn't be enough that he can decide to stay out of range 90% of the time.
It doesn't really nerf those that are actually skilled with him, just lowers his lane bully potential.
Yall complaining about Lucian when we have bigger problems like yasuo?
I definitely agree he's extremely strong right now and needs to be toned down but putting a cd on his passive is not the way to do it. It's what defines him as a champion and makes him unique. I think the toning down needs to happen on his Q. Nerf the range or the raw power it has to reduce how much of a bully he is in lane.
