I was wondering what riot would do to nerf el numero uno adc. Even though they just nerfed him, it's probably not enough. I had a thought, what does the community think about adding a cooldown to lucian's passive? Since right now he can E proc, Q proc, W proc and his E is basically back up again. This could be an interesting way to balance him without altering who he is as a champion, or without shutting him off
Anıme19 votesI'm so sick of seeing lucian in literally every single game.
Raja Chachki8 votesPreach brother in arms
Samflash31 votesI'm so sick of seeing lucian in literally every single game.
Don't worry. You'll start seeing Kalista.
Also I find it weird that Caitlyn has survived season 3 and 4 without being significantly nerfed. Yet almost all ADCs have changes to their kit done.
metaworldpeace107 votesI don't think nerfing Lucian more is the right course of action. Lets look back to early season 4 where Elise was the queen of the jungle, she then received 3 consecutive nerfs during the season, now she's never played and outclassed by almost every jungler. My point is, nerfing the "top tier" of any role will not fix anything. If Lucian gets nerfed, we will see a new "top tier" ADC that will be played in every game. The whole "whack-a-mole" nerfing strategy has not worked and will not work in the future.
icebreather1061 votesI see what you mean, but that's an issue with Riot strategy, not with a nerf in general. Because they have no idea what they are doing (because they don't listen to the community) is not a reason to let someone continue to faceroll
MidEvilKnight3k1 votesYou think the community would know what they were doing? All this talk about how riot doesn't communicate is odd to me. When exactly did we start expecting game companies to ask the community what to do for every decision? Even when they do communicate I hear complaints that they only listen to the feedback they want to hear. They would be stupid if they didn't do that. They can't implement every idea anybody ever had into a champion, even if they could that would be terrible.
OyddAWqJ5r3 votesThe point isn't to eliminate a top tier pick but rather the excess power they possess that is making them top tier. Most of the time it's cases of too many things just tacked onto abilities whereas others, more rarely, require number nerfs. Anyway, if a new so-called "top tier" arises then that's fine and all. There's always gonna be someone who works best in a meta. But when that top tier is crowding out other options that's when nerfs come.
icebreather1062 votesAre you suggesting that Lucian isn't crowding out every other adc in the game?
OyddAWqJ5r1 votesThe exact opposite. He falls into the category of those mentioned in the last sentence.
But when that top tier is crowding out other options that's when nerfs come.
chumbler1 votesThe point isn't to eliminate a top tier pick but rather the excess power they possess that is making them top tier. Most of the time it's cases of too many things just tacked onto abilities whereas others, more rarely, require number nerfs. Anyway, if a new so-called "top tier" arises then that's fine and all. There's always gonna be someone who works best in a meta. But when that top tier is crowding out other options that's when nerfs come.
The meta is literally only decided by whatever was nerfed least recently and doesn't have obvious weaknesses, and whatever ham-fisted meta enforcing Riot does.
Kharn Skyshatter1 votesI don't think nerfing Lucian more is the right course of action. Lets look back to early season 4 where Elise was the queen of the jungle, she then received 3 consecutive nerfs during the season, now she's never played and outclassed by almost every jungler. My point is, nerfing the "top tier" of any role will not fix anything. If Lucian gets nerfed, we will see a new "top tier" ADC that will be played in every game. The whole "whack-a-mole" nerfing strategy has not worked and will not work in the future.
Well technically speaking that didn't stop Twitch from getting nerfed on the ADC item buff patch and also nerfed after his texture rework, but he's still pickable. I doubt Riot will gut Lucian since ADC champs are approached with kid gloves compared to other champs that get nerfed.
Quepha7 voteslucian is bullshit but you can't add a cooldown to his passive, it's too essential to how it feels to play lucian.
Auryiel5 votesRemoving crit from his passive would be very nice. Had a game a few days ago where my bot lane fed Lucian. He had an IE at 8 minutes. Thanks to his stupid passive he then proceeded to 1 shot me once he and his support roamed mid. It was not fun.
I mean I know when someone's fed you expect them to do well but Lucian is one of those champs that just snowballs too much. Q-AA for a lot of damage, use R for massive poke (when fed) and then E away from any skillshot CC that might pin him down for a second. Ugh.
FarRockBF4 votesMake him white. GG
MrSexyHobo1 votesMake him white. GG
his move speed is reduced by 100 and his dash is cut in half
Cheimsis4 votes
NeoScout3 votesmake his passive not be able to crit, fixed
icebreather1061 votesYeah maybe making the second auto unable to crit would work too. But that wouldnt stop E proc Q proc oh cya later lvl 2 bot lane dmg
Trotongo6 votesYeah maybe making the second auto unable to crit would work too. But that wouldnt stop E proc Q proc oh cya later lvl 2 bot lane dmg
I don't understand why riot refuses to nerf his q+ passive which is what makes him so broken in lane and impossible to trrade against.
chumbler10 votesYeah maybe making the second auto unable to crit would work too. But that wouldnt stop E proc Q proc oh cya later lvl 2 bot lane dmg
I don't understand why riot refuses to nerf his q+ passive which is what makes him so broken in lane and impossible to trrade against.
Because #LCSBIGPLAYS.
Sire Hippington1 voteschange passive to 40/50/60% to compensate for the lost lategamescaling the crit gave while nerfing his early but most important for reduceing his early laneing power would be changeing his Q, it's nearly impossible to dodge if lined up correctly, which is rather massive for a 1100range skill with good damage. I'd like to see a projectile rather than an instant beam, adjusting the animation and missle speed so that it's about as fast as now on AA range, but u have more time to react on bigger distance.
Sire Hippington3 votesHell no, it would destroy his gameflow. I think right now he'S actually rather balanced, but if i were to nerf him, i would simply remove crit from his passive, so he truely becomes a ad-caster. The fact that a champion whose gameplay is designed around an AA-Skill-AA-Skill-pattern doesn't rush sheen or trinity but rather an IE+Yomuuns or shiv tells u something.
Sightless663 voteswhat does the community think about adding a cooldown to lucian's passive?
The community wants it very much. This means it is probably a bad idea. The community always wants to nerf by taking the thing that makes a champion work and gutting it. Not much interesting in preserving gameplay.
He may be too strong, but just adding a cooldown to the passive is a silly fix. It's just a way of artifically limiting his burst potential while inadvertantly limiting his gameplay. If you're so worried about his level 2 burst, just make the passive or Q damage weaker in the early game. Make the second hit 25%, 37.5%, 50% at levels 1, 6, 11, or just lower early Q damage. Or, if we want to leave him a lane bully, lower his damage scaling or lower base attack speed. Any of these solve problems without screwing the design.
Riot has actually addressed this and they've said it is something they have no plans to do, because it would fundamentally alter him. He's about slinging spells together. Requiring him to place delays in between his casts screws that entire design. It not only makes him weaker, it makes him massively less fun and completely fucks the "cast spells rapidly for more E mobility" gameplay.
OyddAWqJ5r2 votesYes
A Rusty Venture2 votesIf they were to add a cooldown to his passive,it'd make for much fairer trading vs him early game especially.If they would remove the crit off of his second auto completely,I'd probably cry a little from happiness.
MrBuffington2 votesBased on the patch notes, I'd say they're nerfing his Q range eventually (hopefully). It probably took a little longer and didn't make it into 4.19 because they had to remake all the particles and everything, instead of just changing some numbers like they did with his other nerfs (and hopefully they're looking into reworking a bit more on his kit. Some Reds have been talking about lane bullies, one listed Draven as a healthy example, where he deals a ton of damage and can outtrade, but his positioning is very telegraphed which allows for counterplay).
Desmond Law2 votesAfter using an ability, Lucian's next autoattack within 6 seconds will strike twice.
The second shot deals 100% of Lucian's bonus AD (deals 150% AD to minions and monsters), cannot critically strike, but can apply on-hit effects. If the target is killed before the second shot can go off, the second shot will automatically shoot at something else.
MidEvilKnight3k1 votesCrit chance would no longer be very useful, but with a different build he may still be very strong with extra bonus damage. Just go full damage, lifesteal, armor pen. Boots of lucidity, bt, essence reaver, LW, Black Cleaver, defensive item. This would give 40% cdr with the right masteries, plus plenty of mana to spam abilities that have a lot of power. If you made the defensive item mercurial scimitar, the damage would be ridiculous, especially against tanks.
Hayaishi2 votesLucian just has no risk, there's no outplaying him. When he fights you he knows he's going to out trade you. When he dashes in he knows he won't miss, you just press buttons and proc your passive.
Star Warden1 votesIt places him where he needs to be as a close range adc. He has long range poke sure, but it shouldn't be enough that he can decide to stay out of range 90% of the time.
It doesn't really nerf those that are actually skilled with him, just lowers his lane bully potential.
III DNA III1 votesYall complaining about Lucian when we have bigger problems like yasuo?
Anıme1 votesYasuo currently has one of the lowest winrates in the game, so unfortunately he isn't much of a problem.
DaCush1 votesI definitely agree he's extremely strong right now and needs to be toned down but putting a cd on his passive is not the way to do it. It's what defines him as a champion and makes him unique. I think the toning down needs to happen on his Q. Nerf the range or the raw power it has to reduce how much of a bully he is in lane.
UPfreely1 votesincrease his mana costs/cds thats about all i can think of to nerf him without dumpstering him
Knight SoIaire 1 votesThis could be an interesting way to balance him without altering who he is as a champion
but this kinda IS who he is as a champion he is the adc who spamms skills to empower his autos add a cooldown to that and he will feel like empowered short range ezreal
DREEZY5621 voteslearn to play better? his range is only 500, the lowest of ANY adc. if you are stupid enough to stay in range then you get rekt. its pretty simple. any semi mobile adc can move out of the way. and dont complain about the dash either, a quick cc and he cant keep up. he WAS op when he had a free cleanse on his dash but thats long gone. you guys just see OMG Q E W COMBO and start flipping out. start thinking about WHY hes beating you. you have horrible positioning and are getting rekt.
Kowe The Ewok1 votesThe nerf didn't target what was problematic about him... What problematic is his god damn passive combined with extra on hit damage like from Lulu or Janna.
DREEZY5621 votesThe nerf didn't target what was problematic about him... What problematic is his god damn passive combined with extra on hit damage like from Lulu or Janna.
working as intended
IceKingChernobog1 votesHonestly He DESERVES those nerfs, literally no hope of ever trading with him once he hits lvl 2-3, his passive procs cd off his E and his burst is stupid strong. Also his passive can freaking double crit, if rito takes off the double crit or give his passive a cool down then he would be truly balanced