The worst person in this meta is...

Dangerous Man·Apr 23, 2015·10 votes·1,583 views

Zilean. Less utility then Bard. Everybody else has better; Utility, CC, Tankiness, passives, damage and supportive stuff. The only thing that would put Zilean out there is his ult. Otherwise he SHOULD (In theory) be the worst champion in League of Legends after his rework. Sona/Soraka/Bard can save multiple lives per minute while Bard only saves 1 every 2 minutes. As a mid laner he only has 1 damaging spell...why do people do that. I honestly think he is more of what Bard was meant to be. A roaming support. People will downvote and be like "u just suck @ Zilean & dnt build mejais like me" I bought Zilean and I personally liked his whole style until his nerf made him terrible. Bard may have a lower win rate, but Zilean is less popular therefore his win rate is more inaccurate. He's not even bad, he's just a 5/10 rather then a 6-9/10 champion

44 Comments

Voluug13Apr 23, 20154 votes

He was good at mid thanks to his low-ish range (for a mid mage) targeted Q and his ''F U assasins'' Ult.

Now he isnt worth it because the ''rework'' only shoved him into support because all his reliable Q damage is down the drain and his utility is sub-par in a horribly mana hungry champion.

ValyrianBladeApr 23, 20153 votes

In a meta where Hecarim is gaining tonnes of popularity a champion with a 99% MS boost is the weakest...

Not saying your wrong, just saying he could be a niche pick here or there :P

Dangerous ManApr 23, 20153 votes

Yeah for wombo combos like Aatrox, Anivia and Rammus also. *55% MS boost

Deep Terror NamiApr 23, 20152 votes

He's harder to poke with during lane now since you have to toss the bombs and can miss, but once you get to team fighting I'd assume that is hardly an issue.

Now that you mentioned Aatrox and Anivia...how does he Ult a Zac whose passive is up?

disregardableApr 23, 20154 votes

You'd be wrong. The bombs are difficult to hit regardless of the context. It's partially the long casting time and small hitbox but also partially that they're glitched. People can just walk out of the hitbox and it won't stick sometimes.

Deep Terror NamiApr 23, 20151 votes

It's harder to find a target when there are 5 of them and an objective or ally you know they want to take?

disregardableApr 23, 20151 votes

You think 5 people are crammed into one space the size of a xerath ult? Lol.

Deep Terror NamiApr 23, 20151 votes

...did you just think I said you can get all 5 of them? That doesn't make any sense at all. Please think about what I said before laughing at me for your own misinterpretation.

Deep Terror NamiApr 23, 20151 votes

More targets = more chances to directly attach a bomb. Objective to protect = Easier to predict where they'll go. Team fight = Allies with abilities to create openings where it's easy to place bombs (wombo combo)

Please don't be an ass about this.

ApolloclipticApr 23, 20152 votes

To be fair, doesn't he need t hit the same target twice to trigger the stun, yeah hitting one is easy in a teamfight, but getting them again seems difficult. Forgive me if I'm wrong, don't play Zilean

Dangerous ManApr 23, 20151 votes

It wouldnt activate Zac's passive, only Zileans ult

Deep Terror NamiApr 23, 20151 votes

Ok so you can't use it while he's split I assume?

Dangerous ManApr 23, 20151 votes

No, you use it before his passive goes off and his passive wont go off, you cant use it on blobs. He will be revived with a passive to spare. Guardians angel goes AFTER his passive and zilean's ult Zilean's ult>blob form>Guardians angel

Deep Terror NamiApr 23, 20151 votes

that's what I figured thx

ApolloclipticApr 23, 20151 votes

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No, you use it before his passive goes off and his passive wont go off, you cant use it on blobs. He will be revived with a passive to spare. Guardians angel goes AFTER his passive and zilean's ult Zilean's ult>blob form>Guardians angel

Zilean + Atrox + Zac both with GA, have you ever seen this team, I have 0_0

KougaApr 23, 20151 votes

His blobs are treated as minions, and so can't even be targeted by Zil's Ult.

But you can Smite them, which tickles me to no end.

Deep Terror NamiApr 23, 20151 votes

And TP to them. Probably other things, too. You can Smite Shaco/LB clones too, though with the new Jungle items you might be able to Smite the real one anyway.

Tentakill MyselfApr 23, 20153 votes

"Less Utility Than Bard"

A 1.8 Second stun, portable 300 HP heal, Wall Deleter and AoE wombo setter upper has no utility.

Deep Terror NamiApr 23, 20152 votes

ikr, there are 123 champions with less utility than Bard XD

Dangerous ManApr 23, 20151 votes

Well you see...ok I have nothing to say...

PrimadonnaApr 23, 20153 votes

Not Lulu! Lulu

Deep Terror NamiApr 23, 20151 votes

I'll concede that one.

Dangerous ManApr 23, 20152 votes

LULU IS WORSE THEN BLITZ AND LEONA COMBINED. RITO PLS NERF

ApolloclipticApr 23, 20153 votes

Lulu can't lock down a champion, isn't a tank (can be focussed and forced into wasting skills) and can often cast on allies / enemies by mistake due to her multi-functional skills

She is OP at times but shouldn't get nerf

(ps. her being my goto support has nothing to do with this reply :P)

ApolloclipticApr 23, 20151 votes

LOL

Dangerous ManApr 23, 20151 votes

When somebody lives due to a Zilean ult, there is a very very high chance they will swarm over and murder you instantly. His stun is hard to pull off but unlike other supports, its not a simple skillshot, it's 2 skill shots using 3 abilities and over 300 mana when if you play Anivia, you get a stun for 110 mana and its not a giant waste when you miss, And it's easier to hit. Even better is Morgana

ApolloclipticApr 23, 20151 votes

Personally, I think Anirva's stun is better than morga, and along with nami one of the most reliable non ultimate CC skills

Anirva can damage an entire team and then stun just the adc and support with here, while Nami can easily get a group stun and alternatively use it as a last resort speed buff when chasing enemies (E, W, Q) when your at the back line of a fight has secured me many Ace's

PæanApr 23, 20152 votes

His Q W Q combo is an aoe stun... at level 2. Thats a crazy all-in if you choose to fight early.

Fashion MageApr 23, 20153 votes

Actually hitting two of those on the same champion before the bomb explodes is borderline impossible, especially in an area with multiple enemies bunched up together.

stuartk11Apr 23, 20151 votes

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His Q W Q combo is an aoe stun... at level 2. Thats a crazy all-in if you choose to fight early.

Doesn't Annie have an AoE stun at level 1? And even current Veigar has it (though good luck hitting it).

In fact, even Viktor has an AoE stun at level 1.

Jeddy017Apr 23, 20151 votes

Having it is one thing,actually LANDING it on a target is a whole different thing.

SaiannaApr 23, 20152 votes

Zils passive is really helpful for your jungler. It might be boring passive, but sometimes this level up tad faster than enemy might lead into killing spree.

But rest of reworked Zil ain't cool one bit. But hey, at least he is... uh... hmm.. He is.. HE HAS A BEARD!

Best Darius KRApr 23, 20154 votes

You know Zilean's passive isn't global anymore don't you?

SaiannaApr 23, 20152 votes

..................... no.. i didn't..

Sigh...

What kind of retards were working on Zil rework.. Jesus..

Jeddy017Apr 23, 20151 votes

Didn't he lose the global part of his passive during or soon after Worlds last year? It's been like that for a few months.

SaiannaApr 23, 20152 votes

tbh i've never noticed any info about his passive change.. Why Riot has to make everything crappy..

Chespin2013Apr 23, 20152 votes

ya they took it from him during that time i believe its pretty much one of the most useless passives now in the game

ZarxisApr 23, 20151 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/GhKHc8i1-the-zilean-rework-was-terrible ^Another thread that I already posted in about Zilean's current state.

To reiterate what I posted there: Zilean was improved, but Riot didn't finish. His passive needs to be changed because it's boring, non-thematic, and non-interactive (plus it's biased towards support Zilean). He needs another AP ratio so he can be less reliant on his extremely unreliable Q. His current non-interactive, non-thematic, handicapping W should be removed and replaced with a damaging AP-based ability; his Q should be put on a 2-charge system (to allow for QWQ stun).

Dangerous ManApr 23, 20151 votes

His passive also is only +8%, not some useful high number.

Burnt LightApr 23, 20151 votes

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ApolloclipticApr 23, 20151 votes

Bard is 100% Utility, so why do you complain that Zilean has less? His free poke mechanics were a bit OP on a support, his new stun is AOE, not as reliable as Nami's bubble, but more reliable than Bards Q, just takes skill Also, Bard can save 5 lives every two minutes, and many more if you know how to utilise his other skills

Dangerous ManApr 24, 20151 votes

If 5 people died per 2 minutes, you're doing something wrong. (100 team deaths by 40 minutes)

ApolloclipticApr 24, 20151 votes

lol, well the first thing is they're not dying, they're being saved, and "obviously" we're talking about extremes and capability, saying he saves one person per two minutes suggests 3/4 others are still dying??? Or at least one per minute, which is still something wrong ^^